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ITC 105A: Hello, Michael Co. Good morning.

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ITC 105A: My name is Alapakhi Mahalia, chair of the Board of Regents. I call this meeting to order like the dollars the presence of other regions. Vice Chair, Lee, Vice Chair, Wilson.

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ITC 105A: Regent Abercrombie, is on his way. Regent, Akitake, Regent, Haney

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ITC 105A: Vijay Higaki is joining us by Zoom Regent Liu.

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ITC 105A: Regent, Mawai, Regent Paloma, and Regent Tochiki.

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ITC 105A: I want to just clarify that

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ITC 105A: this is a meeting of the Board of Regents.

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ITC 105A: and all the all the guidance governing those meetings applies. We're calling it Committee of the Whole, so that we can do the function.

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ITC 105A: These meetings will be called for the function of acting as the search committee for our next President.

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ITC 105A: But the rules apply to full board meetings apply. That's important for things like decisions we make in these meetings

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ITC 105A: have the effect of decisions with the border regions

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ITC 105A: at this time. We'll move to public comment.

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ITC 105A: Before I call on Jamie

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ITC 105A: to move forward. I want to emphasize it. Today.

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ITC 105A: I'm gonna be a lot more disciplined about asking testifiers or requiring testifiers to stay to the 3 min limit.

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ITC 105A: We have lots of testimony and lots of work to do. In addition, I've gotten some feedback from folks

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ITC 105A: who are staying to the 3 min, and they feel it's unfair when the other folks go much longer, so

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ITC 105A: as uncomfortable as it will be for me. We will be asking folks to wrap up at 3 min

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ITC 105A: and if you continue to go on.

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ITC 105A: you know, Michael, get cut off, or you'll be off of zoom. So thanks for your consideration at the outset. Right, Jamie.

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ITC 105A: I think it's a chair. So we did receive the Board Office did receive numerous testimonies.

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ITC 105A: Commenting on the presidential presidential selection process, both on time and late written testimony that testimony is available on our website.

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ITC 105A: We also have a number of testifiers who signed up to provide oral testimony.

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ITC 105A: So I'll start by calling the individuals who signed up via to to testify via zoom, and then we'll we'll go to the individuals in this room

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ITC 105A: present in the room.

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ITC 105A: So first up and I gotta make one more for regents.

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ITC 105A: we always have the ability to call testifiers up during our deliberations. So if there's something that someone says and you want to follow up on you, can you can follow up during regular session. Thank you.

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ITC 105A: So

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ITC 105A: we do have 11 people who signed up to provide a testimony via zoom. But only one person is currently in the

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ITC 105A: and our waiting room.

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ITC 105A: So I'm gonna call up

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ITC 105A: Karla Hayashi.

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ITC 105A: So is she in the room.

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ITC 105A: So, Carla, you can go ahead and testify when you're ready. I'd like to note the arrival of you can have a problem.

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Karla Hayashi: So do you see me and hear me?

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Karla Hayashi: Okay, thank you. So good morning, regents President Lazner and attendees. Thank you for the opportunity to testify this morning concerning the search for the next president of the University of Oi System. My name is Karl Hayashi. I'm a faculty member at the University of Voi, at Helo Campus. I am also the president of the Uha Board of Directors.

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Karla Hayashi: The authority to select the next president rests with the Board of Regents. The selection process, however, must be inclusive of all the stakeholders, and should proceed in a timely manner intended to identify

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Karla Hayashi: qualified candidates who possess the comprehensive, academic.

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Karla Hayashi: and administrative knowledge of university operations. The next President must be able and qualified to take the helm of a system that includes the public land grant, Research University campus, and 4 and 2 year campuses situated across the State.

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Karla Hayashi: Such an important position deserves the attention and commitment of numerous stakeholders, especially those whose daily experiences will be directly impacted by this individual.

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Karla Hayashi: We all agree that the welfare and well-being of students is paramount. their voices need to be represented. In an effort to select a new president. Employees of the University of Hoi system as well as community members must also have their opportunities to be involved in a search process.

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Karla Hayashi: An advisory body sounds reasonable, but how will you ensure that our individual and collective voices are heard, listen to, and ultimately contribute to the selection of the next President.

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Karla Hayashi: In contrast to the short search process proposed. Consider the following, each campus typically conducts a year long search for a chancellor by including all of the various stakeholders on the search committee, and scheduling a series of opportunities to meet with and hear from each finalist these public meetings, along with meetings with various campus unit members, provides the campus community, the ability to evaluate each finalist.

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Karla Hayashi: Why, then, do you propose selecting the next president of such a large and complex system as ours? In less than a year this timeline is rushed and contradictory

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Karla Hayashi: concerns about undue influence on this search have already been publicly raised.

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Karla Hayashi: Relegating student employee and community voices to a pro forma advisory committee and rushing the search process only reinforces the perception that this may not be an objective and transparent search.

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Karla Hayashi: No one is questioning your authority to select the next president. We are, however, asking that the process to identify

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Karla Hayashi: the next. President, be inclusive and transparent. Thank you.

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ITC 105A: Mala.

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ITC 105A: Okay, next up we have Sonya, Jardina

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Sonja Giardina: Oliva. Can you all hear me?

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ITC 105A: Yes.

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Sonja Giardina: great Aloha Michael Cole. My name is Sonia Jordina, and I'm a student at the University of Huamano, in the school of Oceanic art, science, and Technology.

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Sonja Giardina: I am speaking to day to express my concerns regarding the Presidential selection process finalized during the December seventh Board of regents meeting

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Sonja Giardina: generally. My concerns are regarding the failure of this search process and representing and incorporating students, faculty staff and community members in the selection process for the next president.

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Sonja Giardina: my primary concern is about the lack of inclusion of these various stakeholder groups in the Presidential Selection Committee.

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Sonja Giardina: which, as it stands is composed of Board of Regents, members. A committee of the whole, composed solely of BOR. Members, does not give voting representation to any stakeholders, and goes against principles of shared governance, and passed through each manual of Presidential selection processes, such as those in 2,009 and 2,013, there were student faculty and community representatives sitting on the Presidential Selection Committee with voting power.

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Sonja Giardina: Another concern of mine is the process for selecting the Advisory group. The proposed advisory group is meant to represent community members, faculty staff students and other administrators as to include non board members in the selection process. Currently, the Board of regents holds full authority in appointing the members of the Advisory group.

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Sonja Giardina: I, instead advocate that elect existing elected student bodies at are used to select representatives of key stakeholders. The system has already elected student representation through the student caucus which comprises the 11 student governments. There are parallel organizations for faculty that could be used to support the Board of Regents in selecting representative individuals on the Advisory group.

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Sonja Giardina: I am also concerned about the Advisory Group's capacity to effect change throughout the process, if only able to provide advice at the request of the Selection Committee.

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Sonja Giardina: This does not reassure me that this group of constituents representing many key stakeholders will be given adequate access to provide meaningful input throughout the process. I urge that the advisory group is consistently integrated into the search process.

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Sonja Giardina: In addition. considering the critical influence of the role of your President on the University, and hopefully, I would also like to emphasize the importance of quality and careful deliberation over expediency in this selection process

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Sonja Giardina: overall. I want to advocate for students faculty and staff and community members to be included in the Selection Committee and given some amount of voting power, it is imperative that those who will be most heavily impacted by this decision are meaningfully integrated into the selection process at every step.

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Sonja Giardina: Thank you for taking the time today to consider this testimony. I look forward to seeing action towards a more inclusive search process that brings all stakeholders to the table as you work together on making this decision for the University and for law. Thank you for listening.

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ITC 105A: Next up. We have Rosiana Osman.

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Rosiana (Nani) Azman: Good morning. My name is Dr. Nadia Aslan. I'm a psychology professor at molly College, and I've been teaching at the University for over 20 years. Now

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Rosiana (Nani) Azman: the Presidential search process permitted interaction groups. Final report recommends book. The Bor Higher search firm with Hawaii experience and are who focus to conduct a national search. While this sounds like a good idea in theory, Norway doesn't mention. It would also be a search firm with expertise in higher education.

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Rosiana (Nani) Azman: I've done some searches. I can find firms who understand how you sculpture or I can find firms with higher education. Experience live in diagram does not overlap.

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Rosiana (Nani) Azman: Given the mistaken urgency that a new President must be hired before fall to submit the budget, which would be nice, but is not necessary.

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Rosiana (Nani) Azman: I fear this frenzied artificially time crunch search, which would be will yield either a reliable higher education. Search firm that is clueless about the nuances of our island culture, or a firm that understands the body, but who may treat our university like a business?

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Rosiana (Nani) Azman: The former will bring bring us candidates who will likely want to swoop in to save us, and make us more like universities on the Continent, perhaps reminding us of Presidents of Christmas past. The latter will try to impose a Walmart like business model, incongruent with needs of higher education.

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Rosiana (Nani) Azman: We are not Walmart. I know that many of you have strong business backgrounds which I respect. But please allow me to explain why university cannot be treated like a business. If the university is a business, then our product would be graduates

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Rosiana (Nani) Azman: as a successful business we would have high retention and graduation rates. That's good. The faculty and the different disciplines would be like the vendors. We hope that we're providing the right products, which will be education to attract customers to come to our business.

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Rosiana (Nani) Azman: Here's where the analogy falls apart. Who are the customers, the people we're attracting to the store

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Rosiana (Nani) Azman: the students. How can it be the students because they're our final product? They do not know of any successful business model in which the customer is also the product. This contradiction is, why treating higher education like a business never works. It's also part of why, for profit universities lose credibility, and their degrees have little value.

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Rosiana (Nani) Azman: As you move forward to decide how our university system will proceed. When President Lazner steps down, I asked, you remember why we are all here, faculty, administration, and staff alike right? This university system, for one, may reason

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Rosiana (Nani) Azman: to educate our students. Without our students there would be no need for University of Hawaii. Every decision we make must have our students, education and best interest in mind, and we need to remember all of our students and all their diversity across the system at all. Of the different campuses. As we choose, new leadership

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Rosiana (Nani) Azman: as a faculty member, teaching at the only institution of Tertiary education for the islands of Valley Malika, Inlandi. I can tell you that very few of my students that was supposedly typical college to do demographic. Most not. Some of my students work full time

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Rosiana (Nani) Azman: with families to support.

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Rosiana (Nani) Azman: Without. Pardon me.

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Rosiana (Nani) Azman: They cannot help me still support. They are lucky if they can squeeze in 6 to 9 credits on top of all the other obligations, but they eventually do so with pride of distinction. for many of my students. If they stop coming to class, it's not because they're lazy or unmotivated.

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Rosiana (Nani) Azman: They cannot stop working because they need to pay the bills. They cannot stop taking care of their family because they understand honor and responsibility. In closing. I need to ask, What's the rush

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Rosiana (Nani) Azman: before we hire? President Lazarin sent over a year in the search process. I can tell you. When my students at work it can be done quickly, or it can be done properly

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Rosiana (Nani) Azman: when we rush, the emphasis is on being done rather than being done. Well.

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ITC 105A: please wrap up. Thanks.

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Rosiana (Nani) Azman: Last sentence. Thank you. Hiring. The next President is too important to the future of and it needs to be a well thought out, completely transparent process. Mahalo, for your consideration.

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ITC 105A: Thank you. Cool.

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ITC 105A: Next up we have Christy and Nita

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Christie Ann Nitta: Aloha, Board of Regents.

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Christie Ann Nitta: Happy New Year to all of you. My name is Christy Anita, chair of the Mono Staff Senate

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Christie Ann Nitta: as we come together again today on the same topic. I'm given the honor to once again testify on this topic of the selection of the

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Christie Ann Nitta: next President, I would like to reiterate that what we stated on our last testimony that as we move forward with this Presidential search process, the Manor Staff Senate.

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Christie Ann Nitta: excuse me, would like to ensure that we have a voice from inception to completion, while we know that the Board of Regents have already been composed of members something that we might wanna look at in the future is and bring that to the table is involving shared governance in the selection of the Board of regents appointees

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Christie Ann Nitta: from listening to and reading all other testimonies. It is very clear that moving forward in this projected fashion has major flaws and needs to be analyzed by shared governance and not just the Board of Regents appointees. Thank you so much today for your time consideration and dedication to the University, Mahalo Nue

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ITC 105A: Mahalo.

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ITC 105A: Okay? So we do have several other individuals who signed up to provide zoom testimony. But they're currently not present. So I'm gonna move to the individuals present in the room.

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ITC 105A: First up. We have Dustin Miguel

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ITC 105A: better this morning. I find my voice a little better this morning. The last time I testified. I was nervous and I appreciate the opportunity to speak.

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ITC 105A: I'm an LGBT studies, Major.

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ITC 105A: I have experienced the Classic Research Institution story being an LGBT studies major on and off this campus.

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ITC 105A: The next President, to replace President Lassner should be aware of gender and sexuality studies and the hostilities we face on and off campus.

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ITC 105A: Before fall 2,023 began. A person moved into my home.

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ITC 105A: threatened me with a knife.

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ITC 105A: and people on staff, on campus casually spoke about it.

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ITC 105A: This is the educational environment I'm living through, coupled with being indefinitely President Lassenar defunded.

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ITC 105A: I'm disabled. I can't work and go to school. I was. I'm experiencing violence through poverty because the school refuses to fund an LGBT studies, Major.

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ITC 105A: so please keep this in mind

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ITC 105A: with the search moving forward also, I will close with. I testified under the authority of the Board of Regents, because the Administration is changing, and I do act. Ask that the Board of regents act.

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ITC 105A: Thank you for your time.

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ITC 105A: Follow up.

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ITC 105A: Okay, I'm gonna call the next 3 names. So we know. So people know who is up next for testifying. So first we'll have Ashley Maynard, and then after that we'll have Branson, Ozama, and Kyson James for us.

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ITC 105A: Good morning, regents, President Lassenar. I'm Doctor Ashley Maynard, Professor of Psychology at manoa. I came here to share some highlights of the written testimony. I submitted with Doctor Marguerite Butler, Professor of Life sciences. I hope you will read it and take it seriously, as we are at a serious crossroads at a university, and in our State.

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ITC 105A: we agree with others that there should be a fair and open presidential search process, free from legislative interference, and that we ought to follow the national best practice of including faculty chosen by the faculty students and community members in the search committee.

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ITC 105A: We must also have a thorough discussion of qualifications that would make the best president of our system. Our system is unique in many ways, and has only one r. One. Research, intensive, doctoral. Granting campus manoa

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ITC 105A: because we are one system. It is imperative that the President must also be qualified to be the chancellor of the flagship campus, whether they are separate positions or one. The President must have an academic background as a tenured faculty member at a research university and not be merely a convenient political selection.

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ITC 105A: We must have an academic leader of to truly maximize our strengths. Hawaii is the gateway to the Pacific. In geography, earth, history, culture, biological resources, evolution, climate, and many fields of human endeavor. It is the reason why we serve as strategic basis for military installations.

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ITC 105A: agricultural experimental stations and Federal agencies, including the East-west Center. We are the only R. One university for thousands of miles. Yet too often it is outside research groups that Spearhead the study of Hawaii's resources.

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ITC 105A: An informed academic leader could retain and motivate faculty to lead these enterprises, create opportunities to benefit from the university at every educational level, making the university's resources available to all and drive innovation from our local communities to the world.

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ITC 105A: Our institution is currently so far out of alignment that we risk veering off the proverbial road, losing sight of the academic mission. While we agree that administrative concerns and an eye on the budget are important without academic leadership, particularly the Manoa campus, has suffered, for example, discussions of curriculum at the highest levels have centered on mechanics and convenience of integration rather than what's best for student learning.

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ITC 105A: As another example, the creation of a campus town where our college of education now stands will have serious repercussions for educational quality. In both the K. 12 and the university systems. An academic leader can help bring. Pardon me. All conversations about the institution, its resources, and its future back into balance.

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ITC 105A: Research, teaching, and innovation are central to the mission of the University and the University is central to the mission and health of the State.

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ITC 105A: The best person to lead the institution will have the skills and experience, not only to understand what the university does, but also to explain and defend it to others, positioning the institution to lead and make the difference it can make. Thank you very much. Thank you.

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ITC 105A: I open an appreciation to really, to the students, to the faculty, and for all who took the time to take time to testify here at this meeting. I know it's set during business hours, so there's often struggles with either it be class conflicts or working conflicts. And schedules. So Mahalo, to those who took the time off to be a part of this

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ITC 105A: historic moment. As a community member, President of Asu H, and as chair of the University of Hawaii, student caucus I stand on the positions that have been discussed by our elected bodies that we want more than just a voice, but a choice in selecting the next President.

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ITC 105A: although the authority is vested in the Board of Regents through rights, that from what some will call an illegitimate body, it does not set in stone how the regents come to the conclusion of who you select

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ITC 105A: in an ideal world. I will say, as my elders taught me, that the past should have a voice, but never a vote. People who will not live with the lasting consequences, should not be the ones deciding the fate of those who will roll through the turmoil.

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ITC 105A: And, in fact, we, as young people, should learn from the discernment of wisdom, and also learn to live with the consequences of our decisions. But we live in less than an ideal world. Our student Regent will be ending her term during the process, and with that I request that the regents grant us choice power through other means, and will stand on my written testimony for those recommendations in respect to wisdom. I appreciate the words of Regent

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ITC 105A: Wilson at the last meeting, that regents must be willing to take time to plan, so that it may be an expedient, implementation and quality decision rather than be expeditious with a painfully long transition.

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ITC 105A: In further response to regents, deliberations. I would say it is not about quick decisions based on what's in front of you, but a need for inclusion, so that we can cover the viewpoints from where you sit, where you sit and from where I stand, so we can cut so that we can see the 360 degrees that's around us. When making this decision, I close with words inspired by the farewell speech of President Eisenhower Eisenhower over 60 years ago.

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that authority and power should not overrule the opportunity and benefits of collaboration, shared governments, and the need to engage with humility. that we must prioritize quality over expediency, that decisiveness must not be without consideration of 7 generational thinking, and that our deep biases and undo influences do not go unchecked.

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As we all, as always, the historic moment is before us, and I hope that our cause for choice and not just voice, will be adhered to. So Mahalani, for taking the time to listen. Ala

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ITC 105A: Mahalo.

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ITC 105A: Hello! I'm Michael. My name is Kaisin Konaldo James Fory. I'm a senior from Kawaii on the big island. I'm a current senator for the College of arts and sciences. For Asuh and I serve as our chair of undergraduate academic affairs.

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ITC 105A: I'm here today to express my continued concerns regarding the Presidential search process and its lack of meaningful stake stakeholder involvement utilizing a committee of the whole as the Selection Committee, although expanding the range of perspectives, so ignores our University's principles of shared governance, and ignores the voices of students, faculty, and our wider community

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ITC 105A: from the perspective of share shareholders. The current approved process by consolidating, voting, both at voiding Puck voting power to the Board of Regents and limiting stakeholders to an advisory group, means that our input, and involvement are minimal at best, and have no lasting impact on the selection of the next president. And although stakeholder involvement is technically achieved through surveys, open forms, and the Advisory group, there still remains nothing to hold the Board of Regents accountable to that. Input.

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ITC 105A: Furthermore, surveys and open forums absolutely do not meet what should be considered the minimum for stakeholder involvement. Considering that speaking on what is considered an ideal candidate is drastically different than speaking, on the merits of prospective Presidents of the University of Hawaii, and being able to vote in accordance to those merits, I continue to urge the Board of Regents to consider the inclusion of students, faculty and community members on the Selection Committee and follow the President set the President set by past Presidential search processes.

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ITC 105A: having it. Individuals representing these groups sit in on the Selection Committee, not only grants them a well deserve voice and vote, but also ensures that the Board of Regents is not completely out of touch with the opinions and with and views of their stakeholders. Failure to do so on only breeds an environment of mistrust, mistrust between the University's administration and stakeholder groups and fractures. The ability of the future president to start with the full support of the student body, faculty, and community

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ITC 105A: in regards to the Advisory group. It is my hope that the Board of Regents considers granting it a position that is more actively involved in the recruitment and selection process, including, but not limited to interviewing candidates providing the Board regents, recommendations, and the ability to communicate in a limited and controlled fashion with their respective stakeholder groups to promote a transparent and inclusive process.

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ITC 105A: I remain steadfast in my position that the Board of Regents should opt to include students, faculty and community members in the Selection Committee itself, and that a seat at the table is the only guaranteed way that our opinions and voices are considered and accounted for. This presidential search process represents a great opportunity to foster a healthy environment of cooperation across each every level of the University of Y system, and allows every one of us to play a part in building the future of our university, and by extension our beloved.

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ITC 105A: And so I urge you, please do not throw this chance away. Thank you for taking the time to listen, Mahalo.

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ITC 105A: Yes, up to that.

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ITC 105A: Alohoma Kako. My name is Mariko Quinn, and I am the current Senator of the School of Ocean Earth Sciences, and technology here at mono. For yeah. Like many others, I'm here today to express my significant concerns regarding the Presidential selection process finalized at the December seventh meeting

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ITC 105A: to begin the implementation of the committee of the whole, in which all regents will be included. but fails to give voting power to any external stakeholders is a decision that goes directly against the principles of shared governance.

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ITC 105A: Failing to engage faculty staff students and community members by not giving them a voting representative fractures trust immediately between the potential candidates and their future constituents before they even begin the job.

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ITC 105A: This decision is especially concerning, as it abandons the precedent of the most recent Presidential search in 2,013, during which there were 3 non-regent voting members to represent several stakeholder groups.

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ITC 105A: As previously mentioned. The use of the survey. Open forums and advisory groups as a means to technically fulfill the need for inclusivity falls short of ensuring that stakeholders are meaningfully included.

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ITC 105A: There's currently nothing in place that ensures. The regents will meaningfully engage with and consider this feedback. And, more importantly, these surveys and open forums are only to address the position description, which is the first step in a very long selection process.

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ITC 105A: While I recognize that this meeting today is meant to focus on the role of the Advisory group alone. I think that it is crucial that the decision of the Selection Committee membership is revisited and reconsidered before we move forward in order to ensure the best possible outcome and transition for the university.

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ITC 105A: At the December seventh meeting we heard several regents express concerns that, bringing in representatives of different stakeholder groups would extend the duration of the search process. While I hear these concerns and appreciate these regents that are seeking to fulfill their job description by ensuring a quick change in power. I would argue that by diminishing stakeholder engagement with a small advisory group and a survey

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ITC 105A: would function to further delay the acceptance of a new President and also cause long term problems in the relationship between our future President and their constituents. The Board of regents needs to consider the long term problems that the future President will need to address, and how a positive relationship with faculty staff students and the community will support them in doing their job much more effectively.

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ITC 105A: Taking time now to execute this search process in an inclusive way will ultimately save time in the future. The role of the advisory group should be expanded in size to include more representation for various stakeholders. The proposed group is meant to encompass a wide variety of stakeholders.

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ITC 105A: and it's crucial that the Board of Regents utilize elected bodies to nominate members of the Advisory Committee rather than nominating them themselves. Overall. I really urge the Board of Regents to seriously consider what it might mean to fail to meaningfully include stakeholders at all steps of the process.

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ITC 105A: All of us here today are not here representing our own personal interests. We are here representing a collective hope for our participation in our University's future.

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ITC 105A: one that could be built on cooperation and collaboration. This is a crucial moment for our university, and we really hope that you listen to us and include more stakeholder involvement. Thank you so much. Thank you.

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ITC 105A: Ipohata.

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ITC 105A: Sorry. Kind of nervous. First time should've got coffee. But

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ITC 105A: I'm here today as a senator at large here at the University of Hawaii at Manoa. I was hesitant at first to testify out of retribution or something. Who knows? But nonetheless, I'm representing the great many students here on our campus.

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ITC 105A: But one word comes to my mind when I listen to all of these things I don't understand. I'm still a student

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ITC 105A: That's the word that lingers over my head when I listen to all these things, not just from students, but from faculty, and to people off our campus undemocratic.

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ITC 105A: When we make the process here today, what happens in this room? But when we walk out the door.

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ITC 105A: in this confusing transition of leadership at the University of Hawaii a sense of democratic participation has become increasingly absent, a process which concerns not just every faculty, member and student here at Manoa campus.

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ITC 105A: but at every campus in the system.

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ITC 105A: I believe that while the input and feedback from the board of Regents is required and can be good

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ITC 105A: and a good way of evaluating the future. President. The failure to bar the very people who will be affected by this leadership should, too, have a voice within the process, saying that a student pull is enough, is insulting.

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ITC 105A: Let us build a better University of Hawaii, so we can build a better Havoi.

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ITC 105A: Simple, right.

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ITC 105A: I would also like to remind people to listen to the people who are elected by the student body. We are acting on that voice.

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ITC 105A: We're not here with any hatred or any group behind us, or whatever reason. But we're speaking. I'm speaking from my now, and I'm going to take the bullet real quick, and I'm going to say I trust all of you.

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ITC 105A: I do. You all like Capuno. You have knowledge that I've never seen, and who knows I've seen you guys resumes who the stuff is big, you know mine just get like 5 words.

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ITC 105A: But if I'm going to trust you, will you trust me. Will you trust the students here on our campus? Will you be able to walk out this store and hold your head up high to all the students. I know each and every one of you 2 have had all the final counts up there. I know each and every one of you have also taken those own risk in your own lives, even if they're small.

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ITC 105A: I've seen that with you. How you guys have spoken to, and the system that you guys have to navigate around. But please take that step

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ITC 105A: because we're following in your footstep to tomorrow's Hawaii is our Hawaii as well, Mahalo. Thank you.

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ITC 105A:  Good day, board. I'm Ethan Hoppy Cruz. I'm a student at the University of Hawaii at Manoa, and I'm an employee.

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ITC 105A: I am here today to express my concern with regards to the findings of the PIG. One, and convey my support of the spirit of the Associated students of the University of Hawaii at Manoa's Senate. Resolution. O. 5, 2, 4, demanding student faculty and community inclusion on the Presidential Selection Committee, which explains

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ITC 105A: that we oppose the use of a search firm to vet and screen applicants and believe that the duty of the search committee be limited and put up for further discussion for student faculty and community input.

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ITC 105A: and that we demand that one. The BOR. Form a Presidential selection committee that includes stakeholders from students, faculty staff

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ITC 105A: will call counsel and consider broader community representation, such as cultural practitioners and 2, the demanded Presidential Selection Committee be tasked with the recommending 2 to 4 unranked finalists to the Bor to consider. It is in the best interests of the Board of Regents to employ the most democratic process in the election of the next President to forge rounds for a relationship of trust between the President and those they are meant to serve. Thank you.

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ITC 105A: Aloha regents, and President Lesner. My name is Erin Sinto, and I'm testifying today as chair of Manoa Faculty Senate, and as Co. Chair of the Acc. Fsc. Which is the all campus Council for Faculty Senate chairs.

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ITC 105A: First, thank you for all of your work that you continue to do for University of Hawaii and for the Presidential selection process.

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ITC 105A: On December thirteenth, 2,023, the Manoa Faculty Senate unanimously passed a resolution that supported previous testimony that I provided on behalf of the Manoa Faculty Senate Executive Committee.

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ITC 105A: Today I want to reiterate that testimony on behalf of Manoa Faculty Senate.

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ITC 105A: We understand that, according to Article 10, Section 6 of the Hawaii State Constitution, the Board of regents has the authority to appoint the president. However, we believe that the proposed University Hawaii presidential selection process goes against best practice and policies of shared governance, and does not allow an official voice of the faculty to contribute to the recommendation of the next president

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ITC 105A: hiring a president, and is one of the most essential tasks of the Board of Regents. As you are aware, previous Presidential Selection committees have included Key stakeholders.

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ITC 105A: The Selection Committee must consist not only of a committee of the whole, but also of faculty staff students and community members.

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ITC 105A: An advisory group is very different from official participation in a selection committee.

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ITC 105A: As stated in the Report, an advisory group advises as requested, where those on a selection committee can be part of all of the conversations and voice their opinion whether it is requested or not.

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ITC 105A: on behalf of the Acc. Fsc. I'd like to add that we passed our own statement regarding the Presidential search process on December 18 2,023 with unanimous vote

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ITC 105A: first, similar to Mfs. And many others that are here today. We ask that there be an inclusive Presidential Selection Committee that goes beyond the Board of Regents Committee of the Whole, and includes stakeholders, including faculty staff students and community members. Second, that an additional advisory committee still be established that includes additional stakeholders.

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ITC 105A: And finally, this process needs to be transparent and widely inclusive, similar to previous Presidential search committees.

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ITC 105A: I appreciate and welcome the Board of Regents. Interaction with the Manoa Faculty Senate and Accfsc on the Presidential search. Mahalo nui, for allowing me to testify today.

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ITC 105A: Okay. So Aloha regents. my name is Jared Leong. I am the current

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ITC 105A: A. Staff council chair, which represents all the staff at the University of Hawaii, and the Staff Council is a collection of staff representatives who are elected from their respective campuses which includes most of the campus staff leadership, their campus chairs from all 11 campuses. And again, we include system as one of those campuses because they do have a lot of staff there.

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ITC 105A: We want us to say that we stand by our written testimony. We've done testimonial for the last 3 meetings. And hopefully, you guys were able to read those. We do stand by that. And I do wanna mention 3 main points.

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ITC 105A: First, we, we still want to reiterate that we would like to be included in a core search committee and not an advisory

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ITC 105A: We would like to be included from the beginning phase, and that that includes being part of the process to determine the whatever firm you guys decide.

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ITC 105A: And I also like to advocate for additional seats for staff, especially considering that we do have 2 and 4 year campuses.

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ITC 105A: We do want to offer a suggestion, I think, was similar to what the faculty were suggesting. Allow shared governance groups on the Core Search Committee and potentially have an advisory group with more representatives.

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ITC 105A: that you are given the authority and responsibility to select the next President.

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ITC 105A: But as I teach in my public administration leadership course. just because you can, doesn't mean you should. And just because you have the right to

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ITC 105A: something doesn't mean you have the right to. That is the right thing to do, and I believe that this board, this board of regents, knows what's right. I know a lot of. You know exactly what's the right thing to do, and I'm hoping that you're willing to stand your ground

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ITC 105A: and really voice that concern today. I will be available during deliberation. If you guys have any questions, thank you for the opportunity to testify.

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ITC 105A: who will be followed by Canoe Beretto and Shannon, Hennessy.

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ITC 105A: Thank you to the regents and to President Lazner for being here today. My name is Sam Peck, and I'm a senior here in the sustainability sustainability program at manor.

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ITC 105A: I'm here to testify to day to my strong belief that the Presidential Presidential selection process finalized on December seventh is exclusive, colonial and racist.

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ITC 105A: refusing to grant decision-making power to students and to the local community. The board demonstrates unacceptable disregard for the well-being of us students, and to rightly as a whole.

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ITC 105A: this only extends and strengthens the legacy of colonial extraction from Havatu's Aina and its people.

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ITC 105A: If, as it claims, the Board seeks to do it as best for us and provide you through shared governance, it must grant full decision, making power to representatives from the student body, local community, and cultural practitioners

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ITC 105A: to close. I will say this, finding yourself through rhetoric is easy, for it is through action that you say what is really in your heart. So to the Board members assembled today. And, President Lazner, I ask what really say

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ITC 105A: I don't have and thank you for your time, all of them.

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ITC 105A: Vilina Oco. My name is Kanola Kanihala Ventura Bretto. I'm a freshman from Kailua.

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ITC 105A: I'd just like to say, first of all, that I wholeheartedly agree with the suh, resolution related to the Presidential selection process.

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ITC 105A:  And you know this whole process. It may, has made me think about. When I was a senior at Colau High School, and representative of mono visited our college and career center, and I learned that the University of Hawaii is the third largest industry in the Hawaiian Islands.

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ITC 105A: You know, an archipelago of over a million people. And so when I think about the impact that the President has, it's beyond, you know, the almost 50,000 students. Even beyond the Hawaiian Islands, it gets to millions, if not billions of people. And we consider the research that has been done historically related to such chemicals as Agent orange and roundup, or the failed attempts to construct a 30 meter telescope on, and there are very severe political consequences. And

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ITC 105A: it's oligarchy, really, if it's such a small number of people impacting such a massive population even beyond our shores, and someone who's recently been organizing around the issue of the genocide in Gaza. I would also say that it's

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ITC 105A: very concerning to see an administration at this university that you know, kind of tries to, you know.

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ITC 105A: Treat all sides with Aloha and respect. But I mean, at what point do people draw a line in the sand and say that something is morally wrong, and it's really concerning to see that that line in the sand has not been drawn, and that instead, this kind of facade of all we're just trying to, you know. Consider everybody's, you know, opinions. And what have you? It's it's very concerning to see an administration and a university that won't take these strong moral stances when lives are at stake. So that's what I'll say. But yeah.

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ITC 105A: Hello, my Kaku! My name is Shannon Pullmakati Hennessy. I am a Ph. D. Student in the Political Science Department. Here at manual.

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ITC 105A: I joined many others today to testify regarding agenda. Item, A regarding the potential action in the Presidential search process and primarily concern that the Presidential selection process as finalized during the December seventh Board of Regents meeting fails to effectively include students, faculty staff, and community members. In selecting the next president.

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ITC 105A: I am here because a trusted friend brought this issue to my attention, an issue that affects not only myself and my peers as students and graduate workers, but also my family and broader community as residents of Hawaii and native Hawaiians, and even my future children. As potential students of this institution.

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ITC 105A: I understand the need to focus on this university itself. However, the fact is that, as Canoa said, and so many before me said, as the leading public institution of higher education in these islands. Any decisions made here will affect all of Hawaii. The decision for the next leader of the institution especially, will impact those within these university walls and beyond.

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ITC 105A: and we, as members of the student, body and community, at alleges to serve, deserve a voice and a choice in the selection process. With that in mind. I would like to highlight and amplify the excellent points and suggestions that Asu H. And its leaders have already made. First, the implementation of a selection committee of all members of the Board of Regents which does not give voting representation to any external stakeholders, goes directly against the principles of shared governance.

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ITC 105A: As Asu, H. Senator of So. S. Mariko Quinn mentioned, the Board ought to consider, including non-board members of the Selection Committee with voting power, as they did in 2013

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ITC 105A: rather than relegating them to a largely performative advisory group.

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ITC 105A: Second, as Marika also suggested, to expedite this process of forming the expanded committee or an advisory group with voting power. The Board should utilize elected bodies to nominate members of the advisory committee rather than nominating members. Student members themselves. For example, the student caucus represents students from all 10 HU campus campuses, and can facilitate a brief elections to select student representatives for the Selection Committee.

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ITC 105A: Other similar elected bodies that have spoken today for faculty and staff can be utilized also in this way.

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ITC 105A: Finally, I want to highlight a section from one of the sources that the permitted interaction. Group pig, one employed in the 2023 article. What you need in your next, President. Search. Consultant Suzanne Tier quotes Donald Gould, chair of the board at Pittsburgh College, who oversaw the recent Presidential search. He said, the change in leadership provides an opportunity to pause and consider where the college is today and what it needs next in the next leader.

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ITC 105A: giving all constituencies, a voice in that process leads to a greater acceptance and support of the candidate who is ultimately selected

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ITC 105A: to prevent the input from major stakeholders. This institution purportedly serves is to do a disservice to both the new candidate who will be unfairly judged, based on selection criteria outside of their control and the institution

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ITC 105A: given the present selection process, it's very probable that the Board only Selection Committee will not reflect the needs, or once, of the larger campus. I urge you to seriously reconsider the present Presidential selection process, if not for me, than for the kind of university.

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ITC 105A: and more broadly, who? What you hope to build one that fairly represents the people it's supposed to serve.

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ITC 105A: Okay, we do have one other individual who signed up via Zoom is online. Now, Mr. Arcard Daniels Pintur.

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ITC 105A: my name is Cardenas Pintor. I was originally supposed to be on zoom. But now I'm here in person thankfully. and I am the Asu H. Senator of the colleges of social sciences, health, and so health, sciences, and social welfare.

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ITC 105A: I have nothing much to add from what other speakers have already said, but I do remember this one thing from one of my social work classes, which is the difference between empathy and sympathy. Sympathy is pretty much distress. Understanding that someone is distressed and going through some problems

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ITC 105A: empathy is actually taking is actually having the action to help others to be there.

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ITC 105A: You are giving us a voice on this decision as students, and

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ITC 105A: for the faculty you're giving us a voice on the Presidential selection. Whenever you give us a voice that is sympathy.

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ITC 105A: You're not giving us any action. You're not giving us a vote. You're not giving us a choice which is more effective and it is empathetic. So I ask for a little bit of empathy

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ITC 105A:  We could say that conclusive. That's the money that the Board Office that we see before I move on to agenda items. I just want to thank everybody who took the time to submit testimony or give testimony in person and

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ITC 105A: I also wanna. And I also thank the testifiers for honoring the time limits. Much appreciated. but also that I thought the testimony was.

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ITC 105A: intentions that went into those statements. So thank you very much. Also, before we move into our agenda items. I gonna use chairs, prerogative and opine. But I think

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ITC 105A: Further deliberation, decision making regarding the final report for the Presidential search process permitted interaction. Group form pursuant to section 92, dash 2,

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ITC 105A: thought 5 B. HRS. To investigate and make recommendations regarding the Presidential search process and potential action on the Presidential search process.

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ITC 105A: Item one is selection 2 K dot, one roles responsibilities, function, makeup and membership selection process of the advisory group.

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ITC 105A: Okay? All that stated for the record. The way I'm gonna ask us to organize this conversation, cause I'm sure lots of us have thoughts and feelings and suggestions.

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ITC 105A: we can accept the recommendations as is or we can amend. So the first thing I'm gonna so I'm gonna note the report says we'll provide advice to committee of the whole as requested.

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ITC 105A: The first thing I'm going to ask is if we could amend that to say, we'll provide advice and recommendations to the Committee of the whole as requested.

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ITC 105A: Okay? So within a second, that we add, provide advice and recommendations. Discussion. Regent Abercrombie. Good. Mr. Chairman. And members.

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ITC 105A: in the light of the testimony which II I'm sure, along with everybody else. I've read every bit of the testimony.

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ITC 105A: I think the decision that we made this this is in in conjunction with what you just said about

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ITC 105A: Again, the staff has provided us with an enormous broad array of of information with respect to what other universities, whether, what other regions other trustees have done.

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ITC 105A: My understanding is, is that, the survey that we put out, which has 6 excellent questions. On it is being responded to by faculty, by staff, by students, by alumni, by the the broader public, in the hundreds and hundreds and hundreds

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ITC 105A: of responses, and there, and these responses are coming. In writing detailed writing, I am told that we are going to be the recipients, and the Advisory committee will be the recipients of an incredible amount of of trenchant dialogue and and discussion with respect to what is expected of of the University and and the Presidential selection process. So

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ITC 105A: I see. And every one of the testimonies that we we've had so virtually every one of the testimonies we've had so far this request for inclusion and and respect for the opinions and and and judgments and analysis of students, faculty staff the public alumni, and so on. That's coming in

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ITC 105A: The the process we've initiated with the survey and with what is is proposed for the role of of the advisory committee will be the most inclusive, the most public, the most transparent, the most comprehensive. Body of of information and perspective that any board of regents will have had in the selection of of

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ITC 105A: that no matter what we say today with proof will be in the pudding. and II actually agree with you. Jabber from me.

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ITC 105A: I'm not sure I wanna take up the the time right now. But the the previous searches that have been made have come up with precisely that kind of criteria, and there's whole. Listen here rather than

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ITC 105A: maybe by the time of the end of that. Well, let me ask you this. Do you want? Do you want a list of? Because I can? III it's not me personally, but I have have lists here that have that probably our representative of dozens and dozens of searches that have gone on to for the for presence. It's it's not a wheel. It has to be invented.

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ITC 105A: I think it's worth articulating. Kind of what in a more concrete stance, what the advisory role is gonna look like, because

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ITC 105A: wants to just ignore what people have to say, that's why we appreciate testimony. So I think that this should be one of our folks or our main focus today is to really ensure that there's adequate representation. There's adequate roles, and that we don't just listen to them. But we figure out what that role is gonna be and how we're gonna interact with them going forward.

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ITC 105A: for process. So let me just throw that out. I don't know if you want that as a motion, but it seems like it might be premature as a motion.

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ITC 105A: And and it's a good example that of the kind of things that this advisory group might have much of the same functions that the Selection Committee of the past had.

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ITC 105A: I think one of the things that's gonna be critical is to define. You know what it is we're looking for in terms of the experience, the skill

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ITC 105A: Yeah, thank you. We we again. This is reading through all of the the way this has happened in the past, here and elsewhere.

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ITC 105A: have to define the scope of your search in order to do that, the regions have to have. What is it that they want in? And a President, and of course, the Advisory Committee. And again, believe me, I read it

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ITC 105A: what? What's required then is, are you gonna have a search firm. Do this as an as an initial step, or are you gonna go to the Advisory group and and the regents working together? To do this?

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ITC 105A: I'm gonna go to the regions that have questions right? But I think

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ITC 105A: this is the right conversation in terms of how are we? Gonna it's what I hear is clear. There's the intention for us is to

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ITC 105A: is to empower this group, to do a lot of the left, and so

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ITC 105A: some of this will be. They'll believe it when they see it. Some of it is, what can we say today that gives confidence. And the other point is, it's gonna help us recruit members of the Advisory Board if they know we're asking them to do.

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ITC 105A: So

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ITC 105A: that's what we're trying to do this morning. Reach Abercrombie. Yes. I I'm glad it was brought up about the sunshine law

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ITC 105A: again. The material that the staff has provided Se. Shows us over and over again, and they and and it mentions other States. Other institutions are subject to their various aspects of sunshine laws, all of which messes the process, though

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ITC 105A: for everybody that testified here today. and everybody that sent in the testimony. not one single person or one single group. yet of of the testimony mentions the sunshine law

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ITC 105A: with respect to the inclusion and the and the transparency, and all the rest of it. Much of it is all theoretical about. About this inclusion, but the practical reality is is the advisory group. They get to talk with one another, they get to commiserate with one another. They get to intellectually arm, wrestle with one another. The regents

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ITC 105A: we're hamstrung. I could use a lot stronger language than the chairman knows that I've used it in the past about what the so called sunshine law does to the border regions. We are really dependent

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ITC 105A: upon the integrity and the and the and and the character and and the hard work that an advisory can committee can can do, because they can engage in conversation and discussion and analysis that that we can only do. Essentially, sometimes in executive session.

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ITC 105A: So we can't bring up the the. I was going to mention that we can't bring up the search firms

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ITC 105A: and do it, cause the second should do that. You're gonna have to publish what it is. Some idiot will come in. Well, I gotta take. I gotta withdraw. Idiot is that part of the minutes now? some group or individual with their own agenda. I guarantee you the second, you bring up the search, for we do the second. We have any exchange with you folks out there. You're serious about what you're doing. You gotta remember, we have the sunshine law. You don't.

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ITC 105A: So we have to be super careful about what we say and what we do

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ITC 105A: and what we ask, because somebody's going to come in and say, Oh, under the sunshine! Law, you gotta do this. And one of the things that's crystal clear, Mister Chairman.

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ITC 105A: If from all of the reading, and all of the material we've got is confidentiality is absolutely crucial. If you're going to be, have a successful search for President, regardless of what criteria you set up for. You have to have confidentiality. And the the

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ITC 105A: the Advisory group has to understand. This isn't a free for all that you get to engage in where you shoot your mouth off to the press.

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ITC 105A: Some of the people who have have testified, for example, here today, but nice, sober of serious presentation to the Board of Regents. I've listened to some of the very people who testified here shooting their mouths off on television

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ITC 105A: about what's going. You do that. And we're going to be in serious trouble under the the sunshine law.

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ITC 105A: We're gonna have an advisory committee. They have to understand. They're gonna have to sign confidential confidentiality agreements. If they have to work with one another, they're gonna have to have confidential understandings with one another.

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ITC 105A: So my my point really is here is that this search firm business? We gotta be real careful. I'm I'm against it because I know I know for a fact. The sunshine law is gonna come in and it's gonna delay us, probably for months.

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ITC 105A: You mustn't.

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ITC 105A: Yeah, I, you know, I go back to, you know, even when we talk about, I hear some discussion about well, the search firm.

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ITC 105A: Excuse me

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ITC 105A: it. That was those started to talk about the thing that we've been talking about region I've become it talked about. This has to do with the search for

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ITC 105A: you know, to me, part of this is, we need to focus on what do we not? Only what do we want the Advisory Committee to do? But what do we want? The search firm to do, I mean in in terms of, because to me, if you hire a search firm, you tell them these are the key indicators that we're looking for. This is what we require.

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ITC 105A: You know, the the person must meet these qualifications, and then to me they do their job, going out and trying to identify

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ITC 105A: people would be able to do that. But I still go back to the fact that we need to have. And I think this is the, as you said, would be a job of the Advisory Committee really defined first what it is we are looking for, you know, if if we're gonna if use a simple example.

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ITC 105A: if you know, I'm the I'm the coach of a professional football team. And I'm I'm looking for a a wide receiver. Okay, what are the qualifications that we need to have of a wide receiver? Well, one. The the time that they can do the 40 or dash in.

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ITC 105A: See how fast are you know what's there been their record kind of thing. And I think that's the focus, the first that has to be made, and I think that would be a job of the Advisory Committee which would be need to be made up a representative of the constituencies that we heard here today

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ITC 105A: thought so suggestion. And I just want to see Regent's reaction.

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ITC 105A: How would we feel about

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ITC 105A:  articulating, changing the language right now to say that

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ITC 105A: this advisory group would provide advice and recommendations on all aspects of the Presidential search.

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ITC 105A: And and again, this doesn't mean they make decisions. We all the decisions are still held by this body. We that's the Selection Committee's job.

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ITC 105A: We could still in the future dispersed specific decision making. But it says that that group can opine on on any matter

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ITC 105A: I go to Regent Haney

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ITC 105A: at 1 point. Finally, towards the end of the testimony, I heard something that I was listening for. which was the addition of accountability or responsibility to the word authority, as our roles in this

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ITC 105A:  when you throw that in for which there can always be a consequences. It changes the level of the discussion.

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ITC 105A:  I would encourage anyone who has doubts about

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ITC 105A: here. Start over again.

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ITC 105A: government by plebiscite usually doesn't work. It's too big. They're

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ITC 105A: 2 ways to bog down a process. One is by non inclusion, and the other is by over inclusion. Somehow or another, we're going to want. At the conclusion of all of this, a group with identified responsibilities

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ITC 105A: that, in in fact, is functional

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ITC 105A: does not, does not require too much retooling.

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ITC 105A: There will be people who are undoubtedly going to be unhappy at one end of that spectrum, and people who will be unhappy at the and the other end of the spectrum. Ultimately, what we have to be able to do is satisfy our consciences, that to the extent permitted by the existing rules governing us.

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ITC 105A: We, in fact, acted in good faith to the people who are sitting in the audience

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ITC 105A: and and virtually in the audience right now, and that may sound a little airy fairy in its way. But II think that's

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ITC 105A: been been been true of

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ITC 105A:  Any any process that mixes function with idealism.

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ITC 105A: Hmm, hmm! And so here's where I was hoping to go with this

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ITC 105A:  any time that we, when when we, when you encounter a sunshine law in any context elsewhere. Here it's because somewhere along the line 2 people lost trust in each other.

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ITC 105A: There was a failure and trust, and that started the process going. And now what we have is a case of over.

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ITC 105A: in my view, at least over scrutiny

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ITC 105A: of people who were elected. You can't possibly get all of the stock holders into this room

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ITC 105A: won't be possible. And yet, on some level, we're expecting the regions to be trustworthy and selection of this process.

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ITC 105A: What helps

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ITC 105A: assure that is the Regent selection process. And for anyone who has any doubt about how we are. how we arrived here at these comfortable seats around a table with pleasant company.

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ITC 105A: Go to the Webpage and have a look at the Regents Advisory Council and see the process.

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ITC 105A: It won't be perfect, but it's indicative of a number of people who have made a commitment to act in good faith on behalf of those in the University spoken for much too long. I wish I had been as brief as young man was from the Students Association moments ago, but on that last point I did a quick check of regents. How many regions, you know we're students or alumnus of

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ITC 105A: How many students have their faculty.

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ITC 105A: and how many regions of faculty. any staff.

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ITC 105A: So

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ITC 105A: to the other point, right beside, besides the criteria.

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ITC 105A: these are folks that you know the parents. How many parents? Right? Yeah, we pay tuition bills to the University of yeah, this this group that not only has been vetted.

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ITC 105A: has deep ties to the university. Right? Yeah. Vijayakitaki and Amiji Paloma.

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ITC 105A: Well, I wanted to respond to your question.

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ITC 105A: and that

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ITC 105A: right at at any part of the process. To me I feel it's inherent that we listen to our

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ITC 105A: constituents councils, the people who have come today. I didn't feel like we were excluding them at all when we initially we're meeting coming up with this, and I think 2 and a half weeks as a pig meeting what felt like every other day.

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ITC 105A: And so so really, I think

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ITC 105A: the the assumption that we are not going to listen or don't want to listen should not be construed in that way. It was never meant to be exclusive. It was actually meant to be inclusive.

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ITC 105A: And I and I recall when we started right, who would be on this advisory committee. You could go down a rabbit hole for days and days and days. We started. We, you know, you could start making a list. I think the list got by by the time it got to like 30 plus members, community faculty staff.

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ITC 105A: the the logistical

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ITC 105A: like. How would you do that logistically to have every person in the room at every meeting.

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ITC 105A: and and so I think what I think. What I recall is, we started with the and then present. Last night you can remind us the 4 governing bodies that are officially recognized. Was the start right? And then you start to add on names and councils and groups, I mean within within the Faculty Senate, I mean, there's committees, and there's representation. And I and I realize that everybody wants a piece of the pie.

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ITC 105A: but but what I think I was the most troubled about by the testimony and the

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ITC 105A: The initial survey responses which were about over 700 to date. Was that the meaningful inclusion which is, which is what was repeated in many of the letters, and in many of the the testimony was that meaningful inclusion meant a seat at the table for a vote.

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ITC 105A: and meaningful inclusion is a very subjective word, and I think we're trying to define that which is really difficult at this point in time, because we are early on in the process.

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ITC 105A: and and so

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ITC 105A: to answer your question. Yes, right. II expect that we, as as a board of regents, include

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ITC 105A: that meaningful inclusion at every at every point of the way.

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ITC 105A: And and to me, that's actually inherent in the process, and not a separate

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ITC 105A: item that we need to separate or address. But but that is my perspective, that it is included in that whole process.

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ITC 105A:  I do also wanna say having having done recruitments for chief executive positions, having a search firm does have its benefits. I realize that because this is so visible we. I think we also talked a lot about having our Border regents staff. If there were 700 applicants just like how there were 700 responses to the survey.

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ITC 105A: Someone has to vet through that. Whether it be Hr. Someone has to make sure that they meet the minimum qualifications. Someone has to make sure that they have the academic whatever the minimum qualifications are desired qualifications, and that really the search firm was to be used more as a administrative and logistical tool rather than providing guidance towards the actual

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ITC 105A: candidate.

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ITC 105A: I don't know if I can articulate as well, but really to help tee it up for

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ITC 105A: us as regents and and the Advisory Committee, so that the administrative burge burden, I mean, I can't imagine us opening envelopes or responding to emails individually, I mean the so anyways, that's kind of my not on the search firm. But really, II feel like we we have to. We're obligated to, and that's how we find respect with each other.

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ITC 105A: II will just say one more comment, and then I'll close that the II will say the comments really struck me as there is a definite distrust of just the Board of Regents itself. There were some UN, of course, so we can't address every

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ITC 105A: error, but we are unpaid volunteer board. There are more than one. There's more than one Kanaka Mali. There's more than one Hawaiian on this board. That we have a student regent who has voting authority, who is a part of our everyday, every single meeting.

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ITC 105A: Ii do believe that there is distinct representation on this board if we saw it by also alum faculty, parents, and so

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ITC 105A: if if we could, the the trust goes both ways, I feel that if right? And to into the student Mahalo, for reminding us that right they are entrusting us to make this decision, and I want to entrust in them. That we will make the right decision. So, Mahalo.

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ITC 105A: my my thoughts, my comments, were going to be directly along the lines of Regent Paloma, also building on Regent paining Governor Abercrombie talking about.

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ITC 105A: II feel like a lot of the comments and the testimony sort of are questioning our individual intentions as regents. Our desire to be open, and inclusive, and just echoing what Regent Paloma said? You know we were in pick one. Not was not the intention.

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ITC 105A: Again we were put in a small group, and we did the best in a very short amount of time as a starting point, and so I appreciate everyone's input here. And we came to a a better

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ITC 105A: informed

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ITC 105A: decision when we put it all out there.

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ITC 105A: also, I want to say

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ITC 105A: along the lines of what Regent Abercrombie was saying about non-disclosure agreements, and conflicts of interest. You know I spoke about this at the last meeting, and in pig one just to

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ITC 105A: about the public trust in us regents, I mean, we went through a thorough process to get here. As Regent Paloma said. We represent different groups here, faculty staff alumni, parents, former students. We also file financial disclosure agreements. That's you know.

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ITC 105A: out there. And so we're held to a high standard here. So

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ITC 105A: the the questioning, your intention intentions here is

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ITC 105A: particularly as we're volunteers. that's a little disappointing, and I and I hope we can.

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ITC 105A: We can clarify that today that it's not our intention to exclude people. I hope you can see by our discussions that we're we're listening, and we're trying to include

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ITC 105A: everyone. I also want to speak to Regent Mawai.

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ITC 105A: She is an amazing student region. I know I have not been here that long. But if

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ITC 105A: and and maybe everyone's not watching the entire length of the meetings, we've had very long meetings.

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ITC 105A: She speaks up.

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ITC 105A: she's prepared, she's articulate. She speaks for the students. We all appreciate her opinion, and she's not shying away from these topics. And so to the extent that you know our intentions are being questioned in ways, and

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ITC 105A: she's sitting here speaking for the students. I'd like to say I think she's doing a really wonderful job.

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ITC 105A: Thank you.

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ITC 105A: By Shirley. Well.

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ITC 105A: chair, getting back to the wording on on the recommendation.

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ITC 105A: I can see modifying it to it was advice and and recommendation. But yeah. Additional wording you wanted was, I think, a little too

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ITC 105A: wide open.

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ITC 105A:  I think

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ITC 105A: we can assign the advisory committee.

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ITC 105A: What to do. But if it's too wide open. It's not gonna they may not be focused and productive.

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ITC 105A: And so I just add the the and recommendation. But the other wording

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ITC 105A: I don't think so.

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ITC 105A: Appreciate by Shirley kind of taking the

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ITC 105A: think the task for us now is, are we moving forward as it is with that small amendment right? And we're gonna

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ITC 105A: come up with specifics going forward. Are we going to lay some down

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ITC 105A: today?

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ITC 105A: I my my own?

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ITC 105A:  I respect Vicely's

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ITC 105A: position. That's not mine. I feel like whether we give. If we form an advisory group, they're going to opine on every aspect of the search

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ITC 105A: as and II think that's what I heard. Regent follows it. That why wouldn't they do that?

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ITC 105A: Ii think I would expect them to do that, because that's what we want.

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ITC 105A: Yeah. So for me, it's like, it's just like saying it upfront. Yeah, we get it that you're gonna give us your feedback

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ITC 105A: and we will welcome it when you give it the the issue about what tasks they get, I think, and if the wording could be amended so that is clear. That doesn't mean you get to make decisions on whatever you want.

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ITC 105A: It's that we respect your feedback on every aspect of anything. Now, the irony is because we create a committee of the whole.

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ITC 105A: That's gonna be true for every single thing we decide, because it's gonna be agendize and folks can come testify

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ITC 105A: all faculty. All students, all staff, can give their direct feedback to us on anything we decide to do.

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ITC 105A: The Advisory group is just an elevated group that it actually kind of takes us off the hook because we don't have to answer to every single testifier. We can say, well, we're trusting the Advisory group.

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ITC 105A: We're trusting the faculty member that you appointed, or remember you appointed. That's who we're taking our guidance from.

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ITC 105A: So it's an interesting, you know. Where where

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ITC 105A: are we? Gonna wait the opinions of advisory group over individual testifiers. It's gonna be interesting. I think the key word is task.

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ITC 105A: It's up to us to

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ITC 105A: establish the tasks for the

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ITC 105A: Advisory group. Otherwise it is a free for all I'll go back to. As usual. Region heading has a a capacity, a facility for zeroing right in on, on the essential element, I over and over again. It happens, by the way, that's meant to be accomplished. A compliment, Bill, I know. Please don't, don't. But and it's true. It it it is. And what he said, this is not a referendum

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ITC 105A: we are. We're a representative. This is representative government. Now, if somebody wants to be a parliamentary system, they can go to another country or another State. They want to have referendum they can go under another set of circumstances. We can't. No, we can't. We do that. But one of the reasons I think, that we're here is we're representatives.

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ITC 105A: and the Advisory group will be representative of of broader opinion, and so on, hopefully, so they could assign the task. If it's wide open. I agree with Regent Lee.

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ITC 105A: I mean, I know what you're driving at, and II agree. But but if if if if if they appine on anything, for example search. we we got to decide that that shouldn't be something the advisory committee

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ITC 105A: it gets a crack at, because I can find 6 or 7 other things that we should make decisions on like like the criteria for for the task of this picking the President. I don't think it should be a referendum amount. There was 7,000 participants in it

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ITC 105A: we assign. We need to assign the the tasks, and that's what they apply now. and the like. Whether there should be a search firm or not, we should decide that that's not something I want to throw out there, because in time, in terms of of time expending.

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ITC 105A: If that's what's going to be done. We're going to be here the past 2025.

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ITC 105A: who we choose and what they do. This.

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ITC 105A: Thank you.

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01:38:09.650 --> 01:38:16.339
ITC 105A: I think one of the things that that again, at least the reading I've done says that

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01:38:16.970 --> 01:38:22.219
ITC 105A: I think we could do with our staff in an Hr firm. If you're gonna talk about search firm.

582
01:38:23.370 --> 01:38:33.209
ITC 105A: II think you should get it. If you're gonna do a firm at all, it should be an Hr firm. They do logistics and so on. They can pull that together. And then we make decisions about the cut.

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01:38:33.520 --> 01:38:43.069
ITC 105A: But over and over and over again, when you read the record of what happens with search firms is they? They have an interest in spending your money.

584
01:38:43.580 --> 01:39:02.820
ITC 105A: and they're going to reach out to hundreds of people and the mainland and international and all the rest of this stuff. And what happens at the end of this expensive, long process that involves hundreds of people is all of a sudden you end up with 79 applications, and in the first pass it's down to 15.

585
01:39:03.490 --> 01:39:11.510
ITC 105A: I'm gonna go vice chair, the invite you to cheeky, and then, and the reason it's talking I do. I do. Wanna just so that we're on the same page. We voted last time

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01:39:11.920 --> 01:39:21.049
ITC 105A: to move forward with the search for a recommendation, and then, based on the comments you've made similar comments last time we changed it so that an Hr. Firm could be

587
01:39:21.250 --> 01:39:47.450
ITC 105A: could could bid or partner with another firm a local firm just mentioned that so between meetings, we did come up with well, the criteria was in the the pig report, and then we came up with the waiting and and they so we started the Rfp. Process. One of the things we did add that you had recommended

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01:39:47.450 --> 01:39:56.309
ITC 105A: is for the search firm to disclose. If they're bringing Canada's to us that

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01:39:56.530 --> 01:40:03.100
ITC 105A: that we at least know that if they're gonna you know they have like an agenda.

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01:40:03.830 --> 01:40:05.250
ITC 105A: you know. Yeah.

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01:40:06.420 --> 01:40:11.010
ITC 105A: Regent oche. I think

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01:40:11.710 --> 01:40:17.059
ITC 105A: one of the primary responsibilities of our university is to

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ITC 105A: to grow the citizenship, and I have to say that in listening to the testimony one of the things cause. I've been very worried about our democracy frankly. and so it is heartening to hear the faculty heartening, to hear the staff, and especially heartening to hear the students come forward

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01:40:37.400 --> 01:40:39.950
ITC 105A: to have a role in this process.

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01:40:40.100 --> 01:40:47.180
ITC 105A: That said that role is a lot of work. And so those people who are stepping forward.

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01:40:47.510 --> 01:40:56.099
ITC 105A: and those those constituencies that are stepping forward are stepping forward kind of the same way that we are, which is thankless

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01:40:56.420 --> 01:40:59.760
ITC 105A: in many ways. Volunteer.

598
01:41:00.330 --> 01:41:13.969
ITC 105A: and also taking on a huge, an important responsibility. And I I appreciate their willingness to do that, and therefore I want to honor that I think, as as a body.

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01:41:14.060 --> 01:41:21.680
ITC 105A:  and that means honoring that that role, that voice and choice

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01:41:21.690 --> 01:41:25.229
ITC 105A: to work out from their various perspectives.

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01:41:25.250 --> 01:41:42.249
ITC 105A: Who will be the search from cause. We heard from the 900 or so responses some very strong thoughts about. And and today as well, very strong thoughts about, you know, sh! Should the what, what should the the emphasis be of that firm?

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01:41:42.410 --> 01:41:48.899
ITC 105A: We, as a as a group, as a committee of the whole? And I like how in the notes. Now we're a cow.

603
01:41:48.920 --> 01:41:54.289
ITC 105A: so we have a pig, and now we have a cow but as a cow

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01:41:54.560 --> 01:42:13.740
ITC 105A: there is no way that we can review. Nor should we what? The the procurement process and and the the the vetting. Well, we we do have the responsibility of the final approval, because that is the the responsibility given to us by the Constitution and the

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01:42:13.830 --> 01:42:20.590
ITC 105A: and the the government. But but with the advice and the

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01:42:21.370 --> 01:42:26.279
ITC 105A: recommendation. I think that word is really really important of of the committee.

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01:42:26.410 --> 01:42:28.879
ITC 105A: So I think what I'm saying is.

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01:42:28.980 --> 01:42:36.610
ITC 105A: W. This is building trust, and and I think whether we need the broader language or the more specific language

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01:42:37.220 --> 01:42:54.989
ITC 105A: recommendation about the search, firm recommendation about the the attributes that we're looking for in the in the, in this position, recommendation about the the vetting process and the overview of the vetting process and recommendation of the candidates.

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01:42:55.050 --> 01:43:04.300
ITC 105A: I. Whether we do that specifically, or you know, as a general statement. I'm not sure

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01:43:04.650 --> 01:43:16.009
ITC 105A: which is necessary. But II do think that that's where we are on this and the connection to the trust component of it. I've gotten some feedback that

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01:43:16.090 --> 01:43:18.059
ITC 105A: when you take a bile break.

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01:43:18.220 --> 01:43:26.949
ITC 105A: so give us a 10 min biobreaked, and then will reconvene.

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01:56:45.560 --> 01:56:49.320
ITC 105A: and then I'll close me back to order. So keep going up

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01:57:02.310 --> 01:57:12.130
ITC 105A: alright. We are back in session regions, I know was next in line. But I wanna set on something first. Everything I've heard from regents is that

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01:57:12.530 --> 01:57:14.379
ITC 105A: the detention was always

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01:57:14.600 --> 01:57:18.609
ITC 105A: to have a legitimate advisory group that that is.

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01:57:18.700 --> 01:57:33.469
ITC 105A: you know, a meaningful part of the process. And we're talking today. I think we've gotten to the point where okay, what it's not about whether it's legitimate or not. It's you know, how do we do that? How do and how do we not both both indicate that to our community. And how do we operationalize it?

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01:57:33.750 --> 01:57:37.349
ITC 105A: What I wanna suggest? And it's why we put this on our agenda

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ITC 105A: is we move to executive session because some of the dynamics about what we would have them do and what how to operationalize that impact things like sunshine, law and document sharing. So if we could go into exec session, consult with our attorney, we could get some guidance on

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01:57:51.870 --> 01:57:57.299
ITC 105A: you know. What? What can we articulate, and how and and what needs to be avoided.

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01:57:57.980 --> 01:58:04.840
ITC 105A: If we agree, can I get a motion to go into executive session? Regent Liu moves Regent Wilson seconds

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01:58:05.160 --> 01:58:09.739
ITC 105A: all those in favor of going to executive session. Say, aye, any opposed

624
01:58:10.220 --> 01:58:17.610
ITC 105A: my apologies to the audience that we didn't think of this earlier, and yet to take, break, and come back and hear that. So

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01:58:18.170 --> 01:58:20.449
ITC 105A: we will convene

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01:58:21.530 --> 01:58:25.269
ITC 105A: soon as we're done deliberate or consulting with our attorney.

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ITC 105A: And can you hear us?

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03:38:58.880 --> 03:38:59.889
ITC 105A: Do you know

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ITC 105A: where where can you buy those

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03:39:04.800 --> 03:39:06.579
ITC 105A: on directly direct? Still, yeah.

631
03:39:09.160 --> 03:39:12.759
ITC 105A: I'm just gonna try and get Wayne. Make sure Wayne's online.

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03:39:14.220 --> 03:39:16.070
ITC 105A: And then we started

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03:39:18.210 --> 03:39:21.360
ITC 105A: the glit, the glor, the glamorous life of a

634
03:39:21.810 --> 03:39:27.489
ITC 105A: my apologies for not having lunch. That's an unacceptable oversight.

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03:39:34.250 --> 03:39:35.919
ITC 105A: You pass the lead that way. Thank you.

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03:39:37.360 --> 03:39:40.749
ITC 105A: Oh, I'll take. I'll take track

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03:39:44.000 --> 03:39:46.050
ITC 105A: all right, Wayne, can you hear us, Wayne?

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03:39:49.570 --> 03:39:53.670
ITC 105A: Yes, I can. Alright. Okay. We're back in session.

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03:39:53.960 --> 03:40:01.670
ITC 105A:  I wanna you know, I wanna I wanna thank regents, this is an extra meeting. We added.

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03:40:02.180 --> 03:40:07.029
ITC 105A:  some of the most busiest folks around, and so appreciate the service.

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03:40:07.710 --> 03:40:17.109
ITC 105A: And we're gonna go back to the conversation we're having before I do, I wanna just reiterate. We went into exec session to talk to our

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03:40:17.660 --> 03:40:18.980
our counsel.

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03:40:19.530 --> 03:40:24.920
ITC 105A: But all the ramifications of the way we're trying to approach this process in regards to Advisory Group

644
03:40:25.300 --> 03:40:31.060
ITC 105A: and the tasks we assigned an advisory group have different legal components to them. So.

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03:40:32.050 --> 03:40:35.169
ITC 105A: thank you very much, Patience, as we did that consultation.

646
03:40:35.460 --> 03:40:43.059
ITC 105A: What's clear is that all regions have a strong intention for the Advisory group to be a meaningful,

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03:40:43.370 --> 03:40:53.300
ITC 105A: significant part of the process. We're not all in agreement from the earlier conversation. We're not all in agreement about how to do that. So we're gonna go back to that conversation. Open

648
03:40:54.240 --> 03:41:00.499
ITC 105A:  again on the screen. You can see that what we have is

649
03:41:00.730 --> 03:41:10.120
ITC 105A: Advisor Group will provide advice and recommendations to the committee of the whole as requested. The only other specific task was to be part of the listening sessions

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03:41:12.000 --> 03:41:14.770
ITC 105A: regents. Further discussion

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03:41:27.410 --> 03:41:28.600
ITC 105A: Regent Sochiki.

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03:41:30.050 --> 03:41:38.470
ITC 105A: I I wanna just reiterate how how much I appreciate the the testimony that we've received and that

653
03:41:38.640 --> 03:41:48.599
ITC 105A: that concern about voice and choice is is where we're we're trying to to balance right? And then it was also very helpful to think about

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03:41:48.640 --> 03:41:51.820
ITC 105A: where issues of having a robust

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03:41:51.990 --> 03:41:56.760
ITC 105A:  search also means that we have to honor

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03:41:57.110 --> 03:42:05.649
ITC 105A: confidentiality and the the the needs of the applicants as well, and so trying to balance that. And so this is really helpful.

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03:42:05.780 --> 03:42:06.860
ITC 105A: I think

658
03:42:07.070 --> 03:42:13.960
ITC 105A: where I'm lending right now, and where what we'd like to see us go is to

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03:42:14.140 --> 03:42:18.760
ITC 105A: have that robust bus advisory group

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03:42:19.190 --> 03:42:31.849
ITC 105A:  get started, but then also give it some more time to to actually  figure out who

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03:42:32.180 --> 03:42:42.549
ITC 105A: and what they will do, but to to give some of that decision making to the representatives on the Advisory group to help us

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03:42:42.660 --> 03:42:45.279
ITC 105A: collaboratively work that through.

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03:42:45.990 --> 03:42:51.699
ITC 105A: So I think that's where we what I heard in the discussion and what I'd like to see.

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ITC 105A: So I will opine again

665
03:43:09.080 --> 03:43:09.860
ITC 105A: that

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03:43:10.680 --> 03:43:14.589
ITC 105A: the the language as requested, I think someone else also mentioned this

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03:43:14.890 --> 03:43:19.310
ITC 105A: seems to have triggered a reaction that the interpretation of that is.

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03:43:21.120 --> 03:43:25.389
ITC 105A: we don't need your perspective unless we ask for it.

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03:43:26.510 --> 03:43:29.970
ITC 105A: I don't think that's the intention of the regions, and so I'm

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03:43:30.460 --> 03:43:36.239
ITC 105A: one of the things I'm wondering even if we're going to lay out the actual tasks. And and

671
03:43:36.470 --> 03:43:49.379
ITC 105A: you know that we that we include this group is substantive by the actual stuff we do with them, and how we engage. I'd like us to find ways to try to voice significance. Now, right.

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03:43:49.390 --> 03:43:56.649
ITC 105A: please, Abercrombie, the way, perhaps the phrase as request as requested, has been misunderstood.

673
03:43:56.700 --> 03:44:04.929
ITC 105A: what we're talking about. At least II believe this is it is that a task that tasks will be assigned

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03:44:04.960 --> 03:44:06.710
ITC 105A: to the

675
03:44:06.750 --> 03:44:08.870
ITC 105A: Advisory Group?

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03:44:08.970 --> 03:44:27.430
ITC 105A: And that's the request. The request is is that the advisory group take up the burden of the tasks. I think that is an additional point. That's not the point I heard. What I heard is, that's that's still as only when you need us.

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03:44:27.670 --> 03:44:44.489
ITC 105A: No, no, II understand that there were people who said that, but that's not what we meant, only when you need it. So what we mean is as requested that there's gonna be specific, specific specific tasks, specific requests made by the vor. But though we still determine those tasks.

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03:44:45.010 --> 03:44:50.840
ITC 105A: Yeah, we both have it. We have to have the the I mean, the Advisory group can't meet in a vacuum.

679
03:44:53.440 --> 03:44:58.680
ITC 105A: We're picking the President and us. But what's associated with picking the President?

680
03:44:58.900 --> 03:45:06.459
ITC 105A: We don't wanna them to anybody to not understand what it is that we we are looking for.

681
03:45:06.890 --> 03:45:08.039
ITC 105A: are you, Wilson.

682
03:45:10.990 --> 03:45:21.990
ITC 105A: and if if I can kind of clarify the the thinking or my interpretation of the the thinking, that and discussion that we

683
03:45:22.130 --> 03:45:25.419
ITC 105A: need to have and have that is

684
03:45:25.530 --> 03:45:27.410
ITC 105A: step one

685
03:45:27.810 --> 03:45:29.630
ITC 105A: that we

686
03:45:31.890 --> 03:45:37.800
ITC 105A: reach out form the A group

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03:45:38.630 --> 03:45:40.689
ITC 105A: which would then

688
03:45:41.000 --> 03:45:47.940
ITC 105A: distress the bankup of the advisory group.

689
03:45:49.440 --> 03:45:55.719
ITC 105A: Once they have done that made that recommendation that that we would then approve.

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03:45:55.790 --> 03:45:58.650
ITC 105A: The recommendation

691
03:45:58.750 --> 03:46:05.350
ITC 105A: as to how the Advisory group would be organized, what would be made up of.

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03:46:05.920 --> 03:46:09.969
ITC 105A: and then the next step would be to advise your group within

693
03:46:10.180 --> 03:46:15.890
ITC 105A: on it have to after we approve it, come back and say, Okay.

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03:46:15.920 --> 03:46:25.410
ITC 105A: this is going to be the recommendation on how the Advisory. who can be make up the Advisory group.

695
03:46:26.250 --> 03:46:35.799
ITC 105A: and once that comes back for approval by the Board. then Advisory group would start its work and come up with

696
03:46:36.160 --> 03:46:39.189
ITC 105A: all of the past. That

697
03:46:39.400 --> 03:46:45.810
ITC 105A: would be done by the advisory group. But that this first step is just.

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03:46:45.910 --> 03:46:55.500
ITC 105A: Are you suggesting that the Advisory group could propose the functions that they would like to do? That's that's why I'm hearing what you're saying could be. Yeah.

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03:47:02.450 --> 03:47:06.499
ITC 105A: I can update one of the difficulties right now is that

700
03:47:08.140 --> 03:47:14.519
ITC 105A: we don't. We don't know specifically all that we can break off

701
03:47:14.830 --> 03:47:19.030
ITC 105A: to the advisory group to be able to enumerate that here

702
03:47:19.170 --> 03:47:24.000
ITC 105A: and it is constrained by legal considerations.

703
03:47:24.480 --> 03:47:26.670
ITC 105A: But what I want to say is that

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03:47:26.720 --> 03:47:33.680
ITC 105A: to the extent that and I don't know that we're going to be able to enumerate everything today to the extent that we can't do that.

705
03:47:33.800 --> 03:47:35.730
ITC 105A: I want everyone to know that

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03:47:36.010 --> 03:47:49.129
ITC 105A: as a board. What Chair said is correct, that we are committed to making sure there's meaningful participation here, and I also want to say there's some very strong advocates amongst the regents for that participation.

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03:47:49.260 --> 03:47:54.769
ITC 105A: So II feel confident

708
03:47:54.840 --> 03:47:55.900
ITC 105A: that

709
03:47:56.030 --> 03:48:00.630
ITC 105A: along the way, when we do figure out each

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03:48:01.580 --> 03:48:04.980
ITC 105A: element, and how this is going to be broken down.

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03:48:05.150 --> 03:48:11.330
ITC 105A: that there is going to be strong voices as a board, but also there are strong advocates

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03:48:11.490 --> 03:48:12.560
ITC 105A: where the

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03:48:12.710 --> 03:48:17.800
ITC 105A: to say that we absolutely have to have meaningful participation.

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03:48:17.810 --> 03:48:22.830
ITC 105A: So II don't want that. If we don't come out with an enumerated list

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03:48:23.130 --> 03:48:27.689
ITC 105A: to think that that again, is some indication that we're trying

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03:48:27.960 --> 03:48:34.070
ITC 105A: to take things away. But just sitting right here now, I don't see that

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03:48:34.270 --> 03:48:38.030
ITC 105A: we can enumerate that unless anyone

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03:48:39.170 --> 03:48:44.260
ITC 105A: oh sees a way to do that. Then, then, please, you know, put that on the table.

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03:48:46.460 --> 03:48:55.739
ITC 105A: So III would concur that it'd be very challenging, particularly understanding that the legal considerations, to enumerate all the the functions.

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ITC 105A: So to to press this like. So how do we give our community more confidence on the intention? I gotta propose this language as a starter, we can help.

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ITC 105A: So, instead of, as requested, would say, committee provided vice and guidance or recommendations committee, the whole

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ITC 105A:  to help assure that the perspectives of key stakeholders and the broader community are included throughout the selection process.

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03:49:44.500 --> 03:49:47.039
ITC 105A: How that's done. The legal.

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03:49:47.440 --> 03:49:56.640
ITC 105A: you know, nuance of what assignments get that can all be worked out. But it's a much stronger statement of the intention of the advisory committee, and how view them

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03:50:00.300 --> 03:50:02.890
ITC 105A: Regent to cheeky. So let me

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03:50:03.080 --> 03:50:10.689
ITC 105A: kind of say back what I just heard, so that I understand what I'm what I'm hearing is

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03:50:11.840 --> 03:50:14.880
ITC 105A: a proposal about kind of the call

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ITC 105A: for the advisory, the the call to action for the Advisory group, which is a much more robust statement than it currently is.

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03:50:22.240 --> 03:50:27.440
ITC 105A: And then, as I'm understanding it. The next step will be for us to discuss

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03:50:28.030 --> 03:50:30.010
ITC 105A: who's in the advisory group.

731
03:50:30.240 --> 03:50:31.170
ITC 105A: Okay?

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03:50:31.280 --> 03:50:31.990
So

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ITC 105A: so to kind of just

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03:50:35.280 --> 03:50:38.770
ITC 105A: taking little bites of this? Right? And

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03:50:40.610 --> 03:50:41.620
ITC 105A: so.

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03:50:43.200 --> 03:50:56.849
ITC 105A: okay, thank you. That helps me. And so then, are you looking for a motion for for that language right now? Sure, open it up, and then we can discuss, and both up or down.

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03:50:57.950 --> 03:51:02.819
ITC 105A: or just discuss first. That's fine. So we typically have done things. But.

738
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ITC 105A: Regent.

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03:51:08.400 --> 03:51:19.139
ITC 105A: we simply remove the word help and say go directly to assure that the case just call queue even more, even more

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03:51:19.250 --> 03:51:22.810
insurer. We can support that.

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ITC 105A: Yeah.

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ITC 105A: I don't get a sassy remark, cause I want my, my English again. Yeah. are you changing us? Sure to ensure? Is that right? Our our English professors?

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03:51:37.950 --> 03:51:40.619
ITC 105A: Yes, yeah, yes.

744
03:51:40.900 --> 03:51:46.489
ITC 105A: that's the proposal. Yes, I'm I'm gonna pretend, I said, that in the first place.

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03:51:47.090 --> 03:51:49.240
ITC 105A: other thoughts about that language change.

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03:51:50.770 --> 03:52:03.629
ITC 105A: I would also say I think the other recommendations in the pig about the call of like who should be on it, and and the qualifications to me that that's why you guys recommended those qualifications because they will help us

747
03:52:04.250 --> 03:52:07.240
ITC 105A: on our voice. But other thoughts about this.

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03:52:15.640 --> 03:52:18.740
ITC 105A: Are we ready for a motion chewing it up?

749
03:52:21.120 --> 03:52:23.450
ITC 105A: Regent Wilson? So moved.

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03:52:23.600 --> 03:52:28.749
ITC 105A: Is there a second? We can do seconds any further discussion on that language change.

751
03:52:32.780 --> 03:52:34.040
ITC 105A: seeing none.

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03:52:34.180 --> 03:52:39.109
ITC 105A: All those in favor signal by saying, Aye, any opposed?

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03:52:40.510 --> 03:52:41.390
ITC 105A: Alright.

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03:52:42.790 --> 03:52:55.759
ITC 105A: So I'll based on other conversations we've had. Are there any other proposed additions to that section of the report that talk about the functions of the advisory group at this time.

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03:52:56.160 --> 03:53:00.800
ITC 105A: I reiterate that what we understand is tasks have to be assigned.

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03:53:01.010 --> 03:53:09.720
ITC 105A: Those tacks have to be timing of those. The legal components have to be vetted. So this is not the end of it. We'll have to continue

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03:53:10.170 --> 03:53:18.040
ITC 105A: the conversation. Are we ready to move on to? Well, who's gonna be on this advisory group. seeing no objections

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03:53:18.760 --> 03:53:25.920
ITC 105A: cool. One task done today.  thanks to our the work of our pay one, we have a starting list. And

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03:53:26.120 --> 03:53:29.529
ITC 105A: the way I interpret the wording. But I'll defer to you vice chair leap.

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03:53:29.850 --> 03:53:39.330
ITC 105A: This wasn't a recommendation. It was kind of open to include these. Yeah, so this is a starting point. But we really have a kind of a blank slate on who to include

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03:53:41.050 --> 03:53:47.589
ITC 105A: Paloma? Can I? Can I start by including those for governing board or

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ITC 105A: councils. Sorry about terminology that are recognized formally, that have a existing relationship. So we'll do is we could do these one at a time.

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ITC 105A: and then just keep building, or we could just kind of craft things as they come up.  So

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ITC 105A: let's just take that one individually, for now, because it's a, it's a substantive change. So the proposal is to add.

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ITC 105A: it's identify faculty staff and students as the th. 3 of the 4 codified groups and to add Boca as the fourth codified group, so membership would include the 4

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ITC 105A: entities that we currently reference. That's that's the proposal discussion and then region, Moai, and then I'll come to this side of the room.

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ITC 105A: So it's just discussion on this. I'll just listen to just this one for now, so that we can add it. Then we can continue

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ITC 105A: anyone else in this region. Moai. Yeah. So these 4 groups are faculty Senate staff Senate student, Asu, A, I mean student caucus. Are we? Are we like going detailed in here? But if I could get some help from Staff, the the way it's the way it's codified is is regional is stating it? Yes.

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ITC 105A: yes. And what we'll do is we'll confirm the actual language. And but but yeah, we'll use the language. It's record. Yeah, I think that's a good. So we're gonna change this

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ITC 105A: to list the 4 groups that

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ITC 105A: 4 formalized groups. And I'm sorry I'm at a loss for

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ITC 105A: the specific titles of those groups. Yeah, but that's your intention.

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ITC 105A: Any other discussion about Regent Tochiki?

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ITC 105A: And I guess so that that that

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ITC 105A: the language would be that these would be the the beginnings of it. And and it would be these 4 established codified groups, and they would each in their in their own bodies select who will sit on the my current proposal is that we handle the how do the seats get filled next?

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ITC 105A: But I'm open if we want to talk about that now.

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ITC 105A: I.

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ITC 105A: My my thought is that we should not be selecting who are the representatives of each of these groups, and that they, as as organized and elected bodies, should do that selection, is that a would you consider that part of your proposal?

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ITC 105A: Yeah. So the proposal is that those 4 groups are part of the advisory group and that they choose their own representatives. I'm gonna

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ITC 105A: just because of my reason. Joining the group these 4 groups are, is that is it my understanding? They have official recognition of of some

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ITC 105A: nothing

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ITC 105A: degrees, I mean cause there's other groups correct and

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ITC 105A: obviously that we recognize so how how does? How does the 4 groups and for public purposes, for the communication? The greater public. Out of these 4 groups

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ITC 105A:  distinguish themselves in terms of their officialness as opposed to other groups that are associated with the university. Oh, I'm not sure who's best to answer this. We're gonna try to pull out the actual language that

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ITC 105A: that changes the nature of the release. In other words, there's a region policy that distinguishes these 4 groups. Okay, that's fine. That region always said it distinguishes the groups by specific entities, too. Right? Not just generically. So, yeah.

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ITC 105A: any other discussion about the proposal regime, my wife.

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ITC 105A: So we are just going forward. The with these 4 groups

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ITC 105A: is now the time that we would be talking about. If we're gonna put regions on it or not, or put other stakeholders on. If if we agree to this one, then we'd have those 4. And then we talk about the other recommendations. Administration alumni. Okay, great.

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ITC 105A: If there's other discussion about the proposal.

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ITC 105A: it's been has removed.

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ITC 105A: moved, and seconded.

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ITC 105A: it has not. That's that's is that your motion region below?

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ITC 105A: Okay, is there a second

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ITC 105A: Regent, Akita? Any further discussion?

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ITC 105A: You should have a problem. Is it understood that this is for starters. Yes. Yup.

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ITC 105A: okay. So you know, for the discussion all those in favor assume by saying, Aye, any opposed

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ITC 105A: motion carried. So we now have 4 official members of the Advisory group.

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ITC 105A:  going to the recommendation.

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ITC 105A: The other categories were administrators, alumni members of the broader community between 4 and 6

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ITC 105A: by Shirley I just wanted to throw out.

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ITC 105A: I mean, this is gonna come out to more than 6. But Alumni Association foundation. and say from the business community

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ITC 105A: either Hawaii Business, Round Table, or the Chamber of Commerce of Hawaii.

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ITC 105A: I could I check that those entities that

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ITC 105A: is it similar that we would ask them to send us a rep from their groups?

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ITC 105A: Is that so that, can I send out a motion

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ITC 105A: of the further way. Thank you. Go ahead, Wayne.

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Regent Wayne Higaki: Thank you. Thank you, Regent. I would like to add, or at least suggest

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Regent Wayne Higaki: another group that would be our Regent emeritus group.

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ITC 105A: and II know we can all see it. You could probably share to talk with you if we need to, or make it bigger. So right now, we have the Us Alumni Association, the Us. Foundation.

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ITC 105A: the White Business Roundtable Chamber of Commerce

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ITC 105A: and the Regent Emeritus Group. Okay, I'm gonna go

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ITC 105A: here and then there. Regent Tociki. Okay.

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ITC 105A: President Occipi.

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ITC 105A: During because I'm worried that

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ITC 105A: this gets us in a big circle right? And I'm wondering if

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ITC 105A: it would be helpful to make the next proposal that there be, in addition to the 4

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ITC 105A: 2 regions, and then

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ITC 105A: this group already

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ITC 105A: look before our next meeting, get together and discuss

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ITC 105A: what other community members should be in the group

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ITC 105A: and come back to the Cal to discuss it. So the 4 that we've already determined

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ITC 105A: would meet with, who 2 regions, 2 regions, and then they would bring us a recommended list. 6. So the 6 people meet

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ITC 105A: immediately.

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ITC 105A:  I don't know if that's possible. I don't know that each organization already has somebody in mind but and come back to us with a proposal about the constitution of the advisory committee.

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ITC 105A: So we have. We have. We're beginning a list of bodies

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ITC 105A: that could choose representatives. suggestion. Here is we could actually do a process where recommendations are made between meetings that come to us. That's on a table, too.

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ITC 105A: Can I check Regent Higgatti? Is your hand up

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ITC 105A: my apologies. I forgot to take it down. Okay, no, worries Regent, my wife.

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ITC 105A: So we still have to like.

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ITC 105A: We voted on the first 4, but we would still have to vote on these other groups. Okay, I would just like to add

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ITC 105A: athletics

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ITC 105A: from both Hilo and or I don't know

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ITC 105A: but athletics having a rep, a rep that

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ITC 105A: represent athletic programs regent Akizaki.

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ITC 105A: So I agree with Regent Tochiki. This is gonna just keep going, because II could say right now I want to make sure there's Neighbor Island representation. Make sure there's gender diversity. The idea of tasking the the 4 groups, plus the 2 regions, to meet immediately, and then come up with some recommendations.

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ITC 105A: A number was 4 to 6 out of the pig, and there was a rationale for that and so if we, as a committee of the whole board, want to

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ITC 105A: give the the 6 we're gonna meet if we go that route. Some parameters. I think now would be the time, instead of having them meet. Come back and say we want 20,

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ITC 105A: so we could still discuss what's on our minds collectively. And then if we if we agree with Regent to Cheeky's idea, they'd have, they'd already have a starting. Yeah, I just want to put that out there because I like that idea. But I want to see if we want parameters. Okay region, Abercrombie.

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ITC 105A: I'm going to go back to Regent Hennings.

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ITC 105A: Original admonition to us about

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ITC 105A: remembering this isn't a plug, a site, or a referendum.

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ITC 105A: and. for example. 2 or 3 business groups have already been named, but I didn't hear anything about labor. I didn't hear anything about unions.

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ITC 105A: and if we get into that, are we talking about separate units afl CIO

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ITC 105A: when we're talking about specific groups representing. I didn't see anybody bring up operation. Manong.

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ITC 105A: I mean, we've got certain groups already represented among the student body. There's 2 or 3 other groups in the student body that represent a significant.

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ITC 105A: a portion. What about

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ITC 105A: all the the Chamber of commerce.

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ITC 105A: Yeah, that's fine. But there's a lot of Chambers of Commerce out there. and I did. Nobody brought up. Oh.

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ITC 105A:  so we gotta be. I think we need to take a deep breath here at this stage.

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ITC 105A: And

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ITC 105A: you wanna talk about politics. You wanna talk about lobbying. You wanna talk about influencing from the outside. Listen, this, this board of regents is a paragon of virtue

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ITC 105A: with respect to to being influenced compared to what's going to start the second

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ITC 105A: this comes out that who's gonna be on and who isn't always made a good start. These are official bodies.

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ITC 105A: but I think we ought to think very, very carefully about exactly what we want to have here in the Advisory

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ITC 105A: and Recommending Group.

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ITC 105A: When it's finally established in terms of membership. II

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ITC 105A: I'm

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ITC 105A: the way I was looking at it. Trying to think I was trying to think of names

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ITC 105A: less in terms of what they represented, because there's ethnicity. There's there's

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ITC 105A: there's Neighbor Islands, there's there's experience of various kinds, so on and so forth. I was thinking more of names, of of people representative of

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ITC 105A: of the kind of people who I know are going to be thoughtful

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ITC 105A: are going to be have an eclectic.

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ITC 105A: The view!

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ITC 105A:  etc. In other words. II I'm not quite sure that group think is necessarily what we need to have. And like, I'm talk about the community side now coming. I'm not if we get into groups per se. We're gonna get up to 35, or 40, or 50

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ITC 105A: 50, but reasonable. Contenders.

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ITC 105A: So II wish I had a more definitive answer as to how to deal with it. But, I'm I'm thinking more about individual names coming forth that that have a kind of background and experience. And I that I trust

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ITC 105A: I check other reason why, after I check on this question, and I'm not sure if it's vice chair. The so I think I misread that that report section about the 4 to 6 members. I thought it was faculty staff to the administrative alumni.

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ITC 105A: and then 4 to 6 community members. But the recommendation was

869
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ITC 105A: that of all those bullets finding 4 to 6 people would kind of give us that broad perspective. That was the intention. Okay, so that's why you're saying, well, how much members are we talking about adding to the advisory group?

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ITC 105A: Yeah. And we just put 4.

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ITC 105A: So

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ITC 105A: so I'm clear. Mr. Chairman, yeah, I was thinking, the 4 to 6 to that. We took 4 to 6 individuals, and they're not necessarily.

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ITC 105A: you know, what do we wanna bring? We gonna bring Catholics and Mormons. And I mean, we gotta be careful about group representatives of groups for the 4 to 6 members

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ITC 105A: rather than 4 to 6 members whose

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ITC 105A: pulls a

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ITC 105A: perspective in terms of

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ITC 105A: their love for, and their desire to be helpful to the University in advancing its its cause.

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ITC 105A: Through its new president is is recognized, for example, of of a name, and if she was still I pick Gladys Brant.

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ITC 105A: for one thing. Oh.

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ITC 105A: I think established herself. And or if he was still alive, Mitsaoki, who was a professor, religion at

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ITC 105A: universe and picking people deliberately that that that wouldn't. But that's what I'm talking about. There are individuals recognize throughout our community, regardless of their background, regardless of their their affiliation. So who are respected in terms of their commitment to Hawaii? I think that's a lot of be in the 4 to 6. So it means clear is a big decision. Reason why I don't. First of all go to region was the next. II wanna make sure I'm mapping all the stuff they're talking about

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ITC 105A: number one. There's this, do we pick we? We have 4 already chosen, codified.

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ITC 105A: To add to that. Are we battling between groups that would say, members versus individual members? Is it something that's on the table? The number of folks in advisory groups, another issue on the table for us talk about

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ITC 105A: all the correct things. Regent Malwi, and then Regent Regent Wilson wanted to understand what you are saying. Regent Abercrombie of

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ITC 105A: you're you're oh, still okay with the 4 codified governance groups. But you're just talking about the additional

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ITC 105A: that would be added. Okay, II don't know if now is the time to to do that, but would like to talk about Laura rigid Tochiki's proposal. And if we go that route, is it possible to say this is the Max amount of people that we would want you to appoint, which is a 4 to 6 is one of the

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ITC 105A: yeah. So then we can make a cap on how many additional people from these groups that we've recommended or suggested to the Advisory Council that you can pick from, and one from each.

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ITC 105A: However, you know, and I don't know if it would be a list. But that's what I'm understanding, right?

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ITC 105A: I think it's 2 separate things that we could if we went with the proposal.

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ITC 105A: We could ask them to bring us back recommendations, and and we could. We could give them

891
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ITC 105A: a number parameter.

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ITC 105A: and then they can put whoever they want in there, or we could say, these are the folks that we're looking for representation from these sectors, or whatever

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ITC 105A: clarify that we're talking about. This is once well.

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ITC 105A: we identified the 4 codified and the 2 regions. That's a group that would then come back was a recommendation on the others that we can set a limit to

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ITC 105A: right. It's really what you're saying. Right? I think that's that's polishing Regent Toochi's proposal right?

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ITC 105A: Other discussion about any of these topics the proposed way to approach it. Number of regents, Regent Haney.

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Fractals in pretty good

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ITC 105A: microphone.

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Correct me, awesome.

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ITC 105A: and can't imagine that we're going to get through without it turning into 2 or 3 hot washes

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ITC 105A: with additional names thrown in. There's inevitably gonna be people that we will

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ITC 105A: go like this. So of course, I mean

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ITC 105A: the Department of Education has more of an investment in the University than most others, and we, and feel very foolish if we didn't

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ITC 105A: think about them as well doesn't mean we have to put them in. Doesn't mean we need an extensive list

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ITC 105A: to consider. So when we're charging this

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ITC 105A: small group 4 plus 2

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ITC 105A:  with our expectations.

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ITC 105A: Is it not reasonable to say we're we're not anticipating that we get

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ITC 105A: this all resolved in one or even 2 follow-on meetings.

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ITC 105A: II think that's certainly likely that we don't come to consensus. I know the Regent Wilson. I think his hand is up. Sorry that

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ITC 105A: Matt Regan Wilson.

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ITC 105A: Sorry, Wayne. Reason you got me.

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Regent Wayne Higaki: Thank you. Chair so so to May. I understand correctly. We have this group of 4, 2 regions, and we're gonna ask them to

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Regent Wayne Higaki: come up with additional names

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Regent Wayne Higaki: to to make up this advisory group. Did we come up with a number total, because that's already 6,

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Regent Wayne Higaki: or is that only the 4 and the 2 regions don't count. So

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ITC 105A: I'm step. I'm just a little bit confused on the total number I'll defer to region to a cheeky, but I think the recommendation was, this is

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ITC 105A: the 4 that are already established for for the Advisory group, and 2 regions would work with them to to determine the other members. Not the regions wouldn't be continued on the advisory group. They just help with the process of coming up with a recommendation.

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ITC 105A: That's correct.

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ITC 105A: Yes, that's Chris who would decide the total numbers.

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ITC 105A: That's what we're talking at. This one of the proposals regional Akitaki brought up was the current recommendation from the pig. One was between 4 and 6 total members. So we're talking now. One of the one of the topics in front of us is, do we want to put a cap if we're going, whether we put whether we defer it to this group of 4 plus 2 regions or not.

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ITC 105A: Do we want to establish a cap number which right now is 6 visual stacking. So I just wanna put this on the table.

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ITC 105A:  one of the reasons

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ITC 105A: this is along the lines of what Governor aber probably was talking about regarding

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ITC 105A: the the people who would be chosen it in. When we when we talked in the pig, we

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ITC 105A: we did start down this route of. We had so many groups exactly what we're talking about here.

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ITC 105A: and it was a little bit like, let's cap it because we'll know it when we see it.

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ITC 105A: And so I just to throw it out. There we're we're talking about a process to then

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ITC 105A: have another process or have another group, and then we have to decide again. I wonder if we can do the 2 regions, the 4 groups

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ITC 105A: and those are already the advisory members.

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ITC 105A: And then we have 2, maybe 2 community members, or however many, we want to say 2, 3.

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ITC 105A: And

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ITC 105A: do we want to pick those? That was the initial intention of the pay

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ITC 105A: that we would put forward names, and you sort of know it when you see it based on their qualifications. I'm just throwing that

935
04:14:54.800 --> 04:14:55.910
ITC 105A: out there.

936
04:14:56.160 --> 04:15:08.500
ITC 105A: So we have representation from the 4 that they choose that are already going to be on the advisory group. So we don't have a second step of their recommendation, and then

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04:15:08.540 --> 04:15:15.959
ITC 105A: we come back. What was intended with with paid. One report was that we came with names.

938
04:15:16.420 --> 04:15:20.810
ITC 105A: and we picked the community members, or

939
04:15:20.840 --> 04:15:27.839
ITC 105A: initially, was all everyone. But now, if we're narrowing it down that we're picking for the community versus

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04:15:28.700 --> 04:15:39.760
ITC 105A: these 4, picking for the and for the report, it would, we would consider where, whether an administrator and alumni get a seat of the of the what's left right that that we would choose.

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04:15:39.890 --> 04:15:44.109
ITC 105A: Yes, amongst the non-codified membership. Yes.

942
04:15:46.450 --> 04:15:51.080
ITC 105A: that's the next step. Well, there's so yeah, how? So

943
04:15:52.040 --> 04:16:00.179
ITC 105A: what should the makeup be? How many members? That's one thing. And then well, how do they get chosen? Is another, and I get that. They're interrelated region. Why.

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04:16:00.680 --> 04:16:22.539
ITC 105A: to a pine on alumni I feel like a lot of community members are already alumni. Doesn't mean that they will be, but even faculty. A lot of them are alumni. So I don't know if there necessarily needs to be a select person that functions as alumni, whereas if there is someone who already is alumni that functions as something else.

945
04:16:22.910 --> 04:16:29.390
ITC 105A: I don't know if that could kind of eliminate an extra person. This is why I'm like looking. Is that grammy?

946
04:16:29.990 --> 04:16:42.100
ITC 105A: Forgive me, Abigail, but I couldn't agree more. But I think you're making the the point, or you're strengthening the point I made before. I think we should eliminate this idea of groups.

947
04:16:42.480 --> 04:16:49.530
ITC 105A: and that we should get to individual names because you're going to see a combination of factors and in various individuals.

948
04:16:49.740 --> 04:16:54.820
ITC 105A:  that and I think the number should be 12.

949
04:16:55.070 --> 04:16:59.270
ITC 105A: The reason I picked that it's arbitrary, but it's not capricious.

950
04:16:59.420 --> 04:17:18.720
ITC 105A:  But that's what a jury is, and a jury. By the way, I think I've got my my juris jurisprudence history right here, you know there's enough lawyers here to tell me. Think the reason they picked 12, and not an odd number is is they wanted consensus. They wanted the group to have to decide. They didn't want 7 and 6

951
04:17:18.720 --> 04:17:36.669
ITC 105A: or 6 and 5 like, we've got 11, you can, you know, 6 people can, you know, slaughter the other 5. Kind of it's one of the problems with the pig, right? That 5 people were in and then 6 route. So II would think to 12, and I think we should go to individuals. I think the the

952
04:17:36.800 --> 04:17:41.980
ITC 105A: the other folks on the Advisory Committee should be picked by the regions.

953
04:17:42.720 --> 04:17:56.999
ITC 105A: because I think if you go to the other groups, so they're gonna they're gonna have to take into account all all these different groups and lobbying and all the rest of it, I think we should come up with some names. We're pretty good at that. Let's have some consensus. My only problem with that

954
04:17:57.260 --> 04:18:02.299
ITC 105A: having said, so is I need to ask about where the Sunshine law comes in.

955
04:18:02.600 --> 04:18:05.290
ITC 105A: Everybody that I talk to

956
04:18:05.440 --> 04:18:12.690
ITC 105A: about what they consider being on the Advisory committee understood that they might not be. That's the first thing that they might not get picked.

957
04:18:12.890 --> 04:18:18.410
ITC 105A: and not because people don't like them, or they're bad persons or anything, but but

958
04:18:18.430 --> 04:18:25.410
ITC 105A: everybody's got various criteria, and everybody understood that that they they might not get picked. No.

959
04:18:25.670 --> 04:18:36.200
ITC 105A: it may be that some people don't want to go through that. And I'm not quite sure where the sunshine law comes in on that. It's something that I would like. Yeah. The understanding is, if we choose the

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04:18:36.430 --> 04:18:51.680
ITC 105A: advisory group members. Then then the names we consider will be public. Okay, yeah. Then, if that's the case, I don't think that that might cause some some difficulties. So if the if we're gonna send this to the

961
04:18:52.140 --> 04:18:56.769
ITC 105A: to to under the present circumstances, the the group, the

962
04:18:57.860 --> 04:19:09.430
ITC 105A: codified group, I guess that's what we're talking, that's the phrase. I think they just ought to take up names then.

963
04:19:10.160 --> 04:19:14.030
ITC 105A: and and forget about the the groups as such.

964
04:19:14.150 --> 04:19:20.639
ITC 105A: and that people submit names, and of of respected and and and

965
04:19:20.940 --> 04:19:21.950
ITC 105A: people who

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04:19:22.080 --> 04:19:32.750
ITC 105A: or is that to?

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04:19:32.980 --> 04:19:34.960
Regent Wayne Higaki: That's Toshi. Sorry.

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04:19:35.290 --> 04:19:37.659
ITC 105A: Okay,

969
04:19:38.320 --> 04:19:45.010
ITC 105A: I'm gonna go to the regents. But II wanna say, I think my sense and you can agree. Disagree

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04:19:45.260 --> 04:19:52.679
ITC 105A: is one of the things we should settle first is the number of of members on the advisory group, because that will

971
04:19:53.120 --> 04:19:58.900
ITC 105A: informed with other decisions going back to Region Augustaka's suggestion and we have another number proposed.

972
04:19:59.310 --> 04:20:03.450
ITC 105A: and the report has one, but I'll just put them on the table. Use it mobile.

973
04:20:04.720 --> 04:20:18.489
ITC 105A: II don't have a preference. Well, sounds good. I don't really have a preference for a number other than not making it too big. But I think that my issue about us appointing or choosing names

974
04:20:18.520 --> 04:20:22.810
ITC 105A: other than the confidentiality issue is that when we have the Selection Committee

975
04:20:23.260 --> 04:20:40.850
ITC 105A: picked for Athletics, there was a lot of issues about who was then selected to be on that, and some people, you know, wanted to be on it, that they weren't on it. And then we added people and or we didn't. But it added people and and that sort of thing. So

976
04:20:40.990 --> 04:20:55.199
ITC 105A: I would actually prefer that the Advisory group pick who else? They want to put on the committee because they're going to be the ones that are working with them. They're going to be the ones that are on this advisory committ, and if we give a limitation to hey, you can't have more than this.

977
04:20:55.260 --> 04:21:03.540
ITC 105A: Then they're effectively able to use their voice to say who else they want their expertise from? To be on this advisory committee. And I think that that's

978
04:21:03.760 --> 04:21:05.260
ITC 105A: in my opinion.

979
04:21:05.510 --> 04:21:13.630
ITC 105A: and we don't have to agree is a way that they have more meaningful input. than us selecting who else should be on it.

980
04:21:13.720 --> 04:21:16.229
ITC 105A: And just to confirm the recommendation

981
04:21:16.680 --> 04:21:21.830
ITC 105A: it's or just to confirm. We're asking for a recommendation which we would agree to

982
04:21:22.320 --> 04:21:26.450
ITC 105A: right now. We're not saying they would choose. We're saying, Give us a proposal.

983
04:21:26.630 --> 04:21:36.509
ITC 105A: Okay, I just want to say, coming out of the pig. The list of the various groups

984
04:21:36.640 --> 04:21:40.099
ITC 105A: that was not meant to be one per each.

985
04:21:40.200 --> 04:21:45.890
ITC 105A: These were like suggestions of the different groups. So and

986
04:21:46.310 --> 04:21:50.940
ITC 105A: the group grouping is hard and not ideal

987
04:21:51.020 --> 04:22:05.769
ITC 105A: along the lines of what region ever company was saying. So I just want to clarify that coming out of the pig. It's not one for each that wasn't intention, 2 per formally recognized group. But the motion was once

988
04:22:06.250 --> 04:22:14.739
ITC 105A: so. There is a motion right on the table now, or is there not II don't think it's moving. Second.

989
04:22:14.930 --> 04:22:16.510
ITC 105A: I'm going to move

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04:22:16.890 --> 04:22:21.969
ITC 105A: that we ask the

991
04:22:22.140 --> 04:22:29.860
ITC 105A: the beginnings of this advisory group made up of the 4 organizations for codified 2 regents

992
04:22:30.580 --> 04:22:43.420
ITC 105A: to meet and discuss and decide on a recommendation to this call of other of their membership not to exceed 12 people.

993
04:22:43.730 --> 04:22:48.199
ITC 105A: Okay, is there? A second region will say, I'll give it. Region will listen to. Second

994
04:22:48.350 --> 04:22:50.539
ITC 105A: for the discussion on that proposal.

995
04:22:55.050 --> 04:22:57.079
ITC 105A: We should have a comment. Yeah.

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04:22:57.520 --> 04:23:06.909
ITC 105A:  not to discuss the personalities above the 4 groups, 4 groups have

997
04:23:07.620 --> 04:23:09.150
ITC 105A: a narrow focus

998
04:23:09.650 --> 04:23:26.629
ITC 105A: with respect to their I'm not saying the individuals on it are narrow-minded, or have a narrow focus themselves, but the groups are organized for certain purposes. and the certain purposes are are all involved with certain elements of the university.

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04:23:27.460 --> 04:23:29.859
ITC 105A: and they they have certain focus.

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04:23:31.480 --> 04:23:40.129
ITC 105A: They have a certain focus and and and the university part of the reason that we're looking to expand the numbers.

1001
04:23:41.320 --> 04:23:44.439
ITC 105A: Part of the reason that we're looking to expand the numbers

1002
04:23:44.570 --> 04:23:47.160
ITC 105A: is to get a broader

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04:23:47.420 --> 04:24:08.799
ITC 105A: representation a broader foundation. When I say broader again, that's not a commentary on the on the end, integrity or intelligence of the individuals that would come out of the the initial selection, but rather in terms of experience in terms of of outlook and etc.

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04:24:08.890 --> 04:24:11.530
ITC 105A: Background!

1005
04:24:11.550 --> 04:24:15.909
ITC 105A: To to to fill out this group that would come up, possibly to a dozen.

1006
04:24:16.360 --> 04:24:17.890
ITC 105A: So I'm

1007
04:24:19.140 --> 04:24:20.890
ITC 105A: I'm a little concerned

1008
04:24:20.960 --> 04:24:24.500
ITC 105A: that it's very, very difficult when you.

1009
04:24:24.650 --> 04:24:25.740
ITC 105A: when you

1010
04:24:26.060 --> 04:24:35.040
ITC 105A: represent a specific group that has a specific purpose within the the in this instance within the university, that

1011
04:24:35.200 --> 04:24:38.140
ITC 105A: they're necessarily

1012
04:24:38.690 --> 04:24:45.209
ITC 105A: best qualified. even if they're oriented toward it, but best qualified then to pick the other.

1013
04:24:45.220 --> 04:24:47.780
ITC 105A: The other 8 people.

1014
04:24:48.210 --> 04:24:50.130
ITC 105A: no. that

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04:24:50.240 --> 04:24:54.350
ITC 105A: th that th that might just be a a theoretical

1016
04:24:54.670 --> 04:25:17.879
ITC 105A: concern of mine for a a a reason. I'm saying that about end emphasizing individuals, I had some people in mind that were previous administrators at at the University, who are retired but now, and have had very broad national and international experience in in terms of academic administration, and so on. That's a name

1017
04:25:17.890 --> 04:25:29.599
ITC 105A: that I was thinking of. II. There's another a person in the ho! I'm gonna say, the Hawaiian community that I came up with that isn't necessarily affiliated with

1018
04:25:29.610 --> 04:25:33.989
ITC 105A: with particular groups or individuals, my my point being

1019
04:25:34.030 --> 04:25:39.470
ITC 105A: that, can we just talk a little bit longer about

1020
04:25:40.120 --> 04:25:51.079
ITC 105A: how we get the other 8 names, if if we approve of the the the the proposition I'm for the proposition I'm gonna vote for.

1021
04:25:51.140 --> 04:25:53.899
ITC 105A: But I'm I'm a little concerned

1022
04:25:54.050 --> 04:25:54.940
ITC 105A: that

1023
04:25:55.270 --> 04:25:57.130
ITC 105A: that the 4 groups.

1024
04:25:58.540 --> 04:26:00.600
ITC 105A: despite best intentions

1025
04:26:01.050 --> 04:26:03.899
ITC 105A: by definition, have a

1026
04:26:04.060 --> 04:26:13.510
ITC 105A: starting focus that isn't as necessarily broad in terms of who's likely to be recommended.

1027
04:26:13.550 --> 04:26:21.790
ITC 105A: Like some of what we heard in the testimony. We may have one group say we. we need

1028
04:26:21.970 --> 04:26:27.540
ITC 105A: 5 more of us. We need 5 more faculty. We need 10 more students.

1029
04:26:27.800 --> 04:26:37.949
ITC 105A: you know. But so we have parameters to say, okay, the 4 represented. We're gonna have this number. But we're giving you parameters. We we need to

1030
04:26:38.030 --> 04:26:48.319
ITC 105A: 3 community members. We'd like to, you know. I don't know. Then we're kind of categorizing again. But if we don't do that, and we give these the 4 narrow focus people

1031
04:26:48.540 --> 04:26:52.970
ITC 105A: sort of just go forth. We may get by faculty

1032
04:26:53.260 --> 04:27:02.400
ITC 105A: 5 students. I don't think necessarily that that would have before we go. Oh, sorry. The last folks have their hands up now. So I wanna go Regent Wilson, and then Regent moi.

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04:27:02.490 --> 04:27:08.220
ITC 105A: Okay? you know. I think the codified groups. First of all.

1034
04:27:08.490 --> 04:27:15.839
ITC 105A: students, students are customers. They're a large group. I mean, it's in the institution. And you look at students.

1035
04:27:15.960 --> 04:27:22.310
ITC 105A: It's been a large group faculty, the largest providers staff the largest.

1036
04:27:22.560 --> 04:27:23.560
ITC 105A: and

1037
04:27:24.310 --> 04:27:33.620
ITC 105A: where was going to get the job done other than what the faculty is responsible for. So you know, I think it makes sense that we and

1038
04:27:33.680 --> 04:27:39.359
ITC 105A: you know, make sense that the conflict groups and the core console because of where we are.

1039
04:27:39.670 --> 04:27:44.490
ITC 105A: But I think the we do that first. and then

1040
04:27:45.260 --> 04:27:46.720
ITC 105A: let me

1041
04:27:46.890 --> 04:27:49.579
ITC 105A: group or 6 the floor.

1042
04:27:49.690 --> 04:27:51.380
ITC 105A: and in 2 regions

1043
04:27:52.230 --> 04:27:57.849
ITC 105A: spend time looking at other people

1044
04:27:57.860 --> 04:28:08.109
ITC 105A: an opportunity to do more research and find out of the people that we recommend. Why would we recommend, and what value do they add to

1045
04:28:08.570 --> 04:28:13.300
ITC 105A: the institution? And I think that's that's what we need to do with with the other side.

1046
04:28:13.320 --> 04:28:15.550
ITC 105A: But the 4

1047
04:28:15.690 --> 04:28:22.550
ITC 105A: that are codified, our key constituents, greatest part of the institution

1048
04:28:23.020 --> 04:28:25.199
ITC 105A: faculty students and the staff.

1049
04:28:26.700 --> 04:28:33.459
ITC 105A: and they're not. They're alone. Just 2 regions. It's the motion is with 2 regions. Right? So you show your hand up. Reason why?

1050
04:28:33.740 --> 04:28:50.810
ITC 105A: Ii don't oppose giving more parameters as long as it doesn't become, then us classifying again, which is like circular II think, though II disagree with you, Regent Abercrombie, because

1051
04:28:50.880 --> 04:29:12.149
ITC 105A: wh. Everyone has their own interests, I mean, we all come from different backgrounds. I always advocate for athletics. That was part of my interview. And they said, How are you not gonna be biased to things like we all inherently are? And that's why we have the 4, because they do represent something, and that's what's important is that they do serve as a representation. So II think that

1052
04:29:12.180 --> 04:29:24.669
ITC 105A: us, even if we narrow it down to say, we need to have 3 community members or give parameters. I think that's okay, because they do represent a crucial part of our

1053
04:29:24.750 --> 04:29:34.539
ITC 105A: islands community that we want input. From so I don't know if if the bias I mean, maybe that that term is not correct is is

1054
04:29:34.550 --> 04:29:41.669
ITC 105A: bad. We want people that come from different communities and have different backgrounds to be giving that input. So that's just how I see it.

1055
04:29:42.300 --> 04:29:45.850
ITC 105A: Good discussion, any other discussion about the motion

1056
04:29:46.850 --> 04:29:48.230
ITC 105A: direct to.

1057
04:29:48.300 --> 04:29:54.199
ITC 105A: and we've been picking the regions yet. But 2 regions with the 4 formally recognized groups

1058
04:29:54.710 --> 04:30:09.319
ITC 105A:  would propose to us 1212 Member Advisory 8 had 8 members to Advisory Group. There's an open question about. We give them more parameters. I'll just opine real quick. I agree with reason why

1059
04:30:09.740 --> 04:30:12.740
I have faith in those folks. I think they I don't think

1060
04:30:12.860 --> 04:30:28.189
ITC 105A: I don't agree. They have. They may be staff members, but I don't think they don't care about other perspectives. And we'd have 2 reasons in the group we would still have to approve. So if they propose to add 8 faculty members, we probably wouldn't approve that.

1061
04:30:28.410 --> 04:30:31.630
ITC 105A: So there's a check there. But that's just my opinion.

1062
04:30:32.170 --> 04:30:34.409
ITC 105A: Other regions, which is Abercrombie. No.

1063
04:30:34.540 --> 04:30:52.749
ITC 105A: I certainly never meant to imply. No, did I think II don't think I said that I didn't think they that the the 4 groups oh, and who they pick out of it would have after work off Carol. We're not talking about 4 groups. We're talking about 4 individuals that will come from the that.

1064
04:30:52.810 --> 04:30:54.629
ITC 105A: Those groups who will be

1065
04:30:54.650 --> 04:31:01.279
ITC 105A: the representatives didn't indicate otherwise I don't disagree with what you said at all. Quite the opposite.

1066
04:31:01.290 --> 04:31:04.610
ITC 105A: What I'm what I'm driving at is is, II think.

1067
04:31:04.890 --> 04:31:07.069
ITC 105A: and so they're already represented.

1068
04:31:07.110 --> 04:31:15.110
ITC 105A: and I think they're. And and I read again, friends, I asked you to think back

1069
04:31:15.290 --> 04:31:19.649
ITC 105A: on all the testimony we received and all the all the

1070
04:31:20.240 --> 04:31:22.090
ITC 105A: faculty staff

1071
04:31:22.410 --> 04:31:24.830
ITC 105A:  Students

1072
04:31:25.470 --> 04:31:32.579
ITC 105A: were mentioned occasionally, alumni, over and over and over and over again. Virtually none of the testimony we received

1073
04:31:32.690 --> 04:31:42.489
ITC 105A: from the groups, either the groups that we've formally picked already, or representatives of the of the various other

1074
04:31:42.720 --> 04:31:46.390
ITC 105A: university and and college entities

1075
04:31:46.470 --> 04:32:03.220
ITC 105A: mentioned, mention the broader community, or how to how to pick somebody from that. That's all I'm saying is is that the natural inclination is, is. are we going to have faculty represented? Are we going to have staff representative? Are we going to have students represent? And the answer is, yes.

1076
04:32:03.440 --> 04:32:07.929
ITC 105A: that's been already decided that that's done. I'm just thinking that

1077
04:32:08.120 --> 04:32:11.610
ITC 105A: that we need to have a perhaps

1078
04:32:11.640 --> 04:32:15.149
ITC 105A: a different way of picking the other 8. And that may be

1079
04:32:15.740 --> 04:32:16.780
ITC 105A: the

1080
04:32:17.070 --> 04:32:24.900
ITC 105A: I'm not quite sure where the sunshine law comes in. IIII almost think we should do it, or that

1081
04:32:25.000 --> 04:32:26.210
ITC 105A: that.

1082
04:32:28.180 --> 04:32:29.910
ITC 105A: or or

1083
04:32:29.970 --> 04:32:38.380
ITC 105A: maybe that a PA pig can be put together to recommend names to the board. I don't know

1084
04:32:38.510 --> 04:32:43.870
ITC 105A: that that accomplish what I hope will will accomplish.

1085
04:32:44.860 --> 04:33:00.309
ITC 105A:  I'm II it's a dilemma. I wish I had a more definitive. I apologize. I'm not more definitive about this other than I'm concerned that we need to have a broad section from the community.

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04:33:11.570 --> 04:33:16.249
ITC 105A: Thank you. With 2 regents to recommend 8 additional names

1087
04:33:16.779 --> 04:33:18.950
ITC 105A: up to up to 8,

1088
04:33:19.240 --> 04:33:27.630
ITC 105A: and we certainly could give them all the material and the the minutes for this meeting that they could consider, and I would count on the Regent reps to do the same.

1089
04:33:27.800 --> 04:33:34.130
ITC 105A: Is the opine on where region stands. Is there any further discussion about that motion before I take the vote?

1090
04:33:34.700 --> 04:33:42.569
ITC 105A: Yeah, I missed the first part of what you were saying. Were you suggesting that we, as regents, send my might.

1091
04:33:42.599 --> 04:33:49.950
ITC 105A: send names to the to the group for their consideration. I did II just was repeating them what the motion was which was

1092
04:33:50.410 --> 04:33:51.430
ITC 105A: to

1093
04:33:52.310 --> 04:33:56.870
ITC 105A: to assign the selection of up to 8 8 additional members.

1094
04:33:57.560 --> 04:33:59.099
ITC 105A: I think I said

1095
04:34:00.189 --> 04:34:10.450
ITC 105A: no more than 12 total. So that's actually yeah. No more than 12 total, maybe. Just say it that way. Yup. No more than 12 total

1096
04:34:11.050 --> 04:34:12.189
ITC 105A: members

1097
04:34:12.360 --> 04:34:21.330
ITC 105A:  to the formally recognized groups plus 2 regions. That's the motion on the floor that we've been discussing. So I'm just checking if we're ready to move to a vote.

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04:34:22.700 --> 04:34:27.159
ITC 105A: So just a point of inquiry.

1099
04:34:28.419 --> 04:34:33.089
ITC 105A: if if that passes and and it moves forward, would it

1100
04:34:33.520 --> 04:34:34.710
ITC 105A: be

1101
04:34:35.460 --> 04:34:43.050
ITC 105A: out of line? And maybe, Carrie, you gotta tell me to whether this in terms of sunshine could names

1102
04:34:43.200 --> 04:34:47.269
ITC 105A: from anybody. for that matter, not just from from regents. But

1103
04:34:47.279 --> 04:34:59.280
ITC 105A: could I, as a region or anybody in the broader committee, send names to that group for the kind of consideration I think we could make that part of the motion that that

1104
04:34:59.790 --> 04:35:05.220
ITC 105A: that they needed to receive be open to receiving suggestions.

1105
04:35:06.259 --> 04:35:10.050
ITC 105A: talking about transparency and openness. Yep.

1106
04:35:11.180 --> 04:35:19.100
ITC 105A: Yup, and and that their process would not be governed by sunshine law, right as they craft the recommendation

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ITC 105A: they can meet, they can discuss the recommendation they bring would be in the open. So yeah, so we we could note for the record as a friendly amendment, or just on the minutes that the expectation is that they are open to receiving suggestions from anyone.

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ITC 105A: including regions. The the one concept is, if depending on the assigned task of this advisory group, the willingness of the members to keep things confidential.

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04:35:48.060 --> 04:35:49.630
ITC 105A: Right? So the

1110
04:35:50.640 --> 04:35:53.939
ITC 105A: we'd have to make it clear that

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04:35:54.040 --> 04:36:04.230
ITC 105A: there's expectations of the folks who are recommending recommended. and we would. We would apply that those members that they're recommending need to have been spoken to. And yeah.

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04:36:04.330 --> 04:36:05.250
ITC 105A: so

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04:36:05.810 --> 04:36:19.709
ITC 105A: all we would be getting back then, if we, if we proceeded this way, would be the the names recommended from the advisory group, and the names going in would remain confidential with them while they were making their decision about recommending.

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04:36:20.000 --> 04:36:28.040
ITC 105A: Thank you to keep them. Yeah, I'm overjoyed when Kerry is smiling behind my back. It's a rare occurrence.

1115
04:36:28.960 --> 04:36:31.240
ITC 105A: So for the

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04:36:31.439 --> 04:36:34.030
ITC 105A: for the motioner and the sender.

1117
04:36:34.550 --> 04:36:45.019
ITC 105A:  can we consider those part of the motion that the these clear expectations is that they need to receive names, open process.

1118
04:36:45.050 --> 04:36:47.740
ITC 105A: and that they will keep those names confidential.

1119
04:36:48.400 --> 04:36:54.730
ITC 105A: But who they who? They who they deliver it? Yeah. So notes notes onto the motion. Yeah.

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04:36:55.050 --> 04:36:55.800
ITC 105A: okay.

1121
04:36:58.590 --> 04:37:03.929
ITC 105A: okay, that's so we know we're discussing is, there's no other discussion on a call for the vote.

1122
04:37:06.340 --> 04:37:10.549
ITC 105A: Okay? All those in favor of the motion as

1123
04:37:10.970 --> 04:37:13.180
ITC 105A: discussed and amended

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04:37:13.300 --> 04:37:16.999
ITC 105A: this signal by saying, Aye, any opposed?

1125
04:37:18.240 --> 04:37:19.520
ITC 105A: Great, okay.

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04:37:21.740 --> 04:37:23.110
ITC 105A: excellent.

1127
04:37:24.740 --> 04:37:26.780
ITC 105A: And so that

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04:37:27.259 --> 04:37:31.920
ITC 105A: actually tackles the 2 other buckets, which was the membership makeup

1129
04:37:32.009 --> 04:37:34.059
ITC 105A: and how they're going to be determined.

1130
04:37:35.180 --> 04:37:44.029
ITC 105A: So the next meeting for the cow is January eighteenth. That would be quite something to accomplish by then.

1131
04:37:44.450 --> 04:37:51.810
ITC 105A: So we may not. Yeah, if if at all possible. It'd be nice to have that group determined.

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04:37:52.000 --> 04:38:01.689
ITC 105A: That's the first opportunity we certainly now have to go, and we're making a request. They could certainly say, no, we won't do that for you, but I hope I hope they'll be amenable.

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ITC 105A: Regent Malloy

1134
04:38:03.430 --> 04:38:12.650
ITC 105A: student caucus said. They can get a representative no later than the twentieth. So I would hope that other people can follow suit.

1135
04:38:12.900 --> 04:38:19.389
ITC 105A: Follow. Yeah. So that next. For to close up this one, we need to choose the 2 regions

1136
04:38:19.529 --> 04:38:28.880
ITC 105A: that we'll be taking on this task.  anyone. Is anyone burning to take on this role.

1137
04:38:29.730 --> 04:38:30.980
ITC 105A: I'm not burning.

1138
04:38:30.990 --> 04:38:35.000
ITC 105A: but I'd like to say, cause mention was made.

1139
04:38:35.520 --> 04:38:44.319
ITC 105A: Stop me if I'm wrong, was mentioned, made in the open meeting or was mentioned made in the Co. In the executive session about the membership

1140
04:38:45.380 --> 04:38:49.950
ITC 105A: and about well, I just wanna say I'm up for confirmation.

1141
04:38:50.330 --> 04:38:59.299
ITC 105A: I that doesn't III do not want to be on. I'm not asking to be on that of the 2 quite the opposite.

1142
04:38:59.380 --> 04:39:04.649
ITC 105A: but I don't think that should be a consideration. We're we're, we're regents.

1143
04:39:04.860 --> 04:39:23.860
ITC 105A: and we're doing our job, and somebody else doesn't like it. Well, that's that's something we'll crawl. But II have full confidence in the in the 3 of us that are up, that we're doing a job is regents. And and that's the end of that. II agree. So I guess I'm starting off with anyone really want to take on this task.

1144
04:39:23.919 --> 04:39:29.889
ITC 105A: Regent Wilson is volunteering to be one of the regents. Vice chair. Lee, is anyone else?

1145
04:39:30.110 --> 04:39:32.520
ITC 105A: I nominate Regent Tochiki.

1146
04:39:33.140 --> 04:39:36.189
ITC 105A: Regent Sochi. Are you willing to accept that nomination

1147
04:39:42.160 --> 04:39:49.180
ITC 105A: between now and the eighteenth? I'm running a conference next week. you know, I mean so.

1148
04:39:49.380 --> 04:39:51.510
ITC 105A: But II yeah.

1149
04:39:53.110 --> 04:39:54.550
ITC 105A: But you could send names.

1150
04:39:56.110 --> 04:39:58.329
ITC 105A: Okay, if there's no one else.

1151
04:39:59.030 --> 04:40:06.490
ITC 105A: I'm gonna ask for a motion to approve vice Chair, Lee and Reg, and and and Vice Chair Wilson, as our representatives

1152
04:40:06.850 --> 04:40:11.780
ITC 105A: to this body I also nominate Regent Abrami.

1153
04:40:13.500 --> 04:40:18.830
ITC 105A: Are you ready? Are you willing to accept that nomination, general Army? No, I don't want. I don't want this to be a contest.

1154
04:40:19.180 --> 04:40:23.350
ITC 105A: I don't think so. I'm gonna put a lot of names in, though

1155
04:40:23.770 --> 04:40:26.729
ITC 105A: you hear that, Bernie.

1156
04:40:28.330 --> 04:40:29.490
ITC 105A: Anyone else.

1157
04:40:31.640 --> 04:40:35.530
ITC 105A: if not, can I get a motion for the 2 vice chairs to serve this role?

1158
04:40:36.570 --> 04:40:40.220
ITC 105A: Regent Haney move Regent Lew. Second, any further discussion.

1159
04:40:41.500 --> 04:40:44.089
ITC 105A: all those favor sealed by saying, Aye.

1160
04:40:44.200 --> 04:40:45.899
ITC 105A: aye, any opposed.

1161
04:40:47.860 --> 04:40:49.180
ITC 105A: any abstentions?

1162
04:40:50.350 --> 04:40:53.309
ITC 105A: Hello. but one abstention.

1163
04:40:54.740 --> 04:41:06.839
ITC 105A:  I would. I?

1164
04:41:07.350 --> 04:41:08.610
ITC 105A: Aye, okay.

1165
04:41:10.070 --> 04:41:13.700
ITC 105A: So that process has been determined.

1166
04:41:13.730 --> 04:41:25.380
ITC 105A: we have parameters for a group, a process to select them. And urging to bring back recommendation as soon as possible. moving on to the next

1167
04:41:25.450 --> 04:41:35.260
ITC 105A: items on our agenda. It's a quick update. We do a quick update on the survey. Folks have referenced it multiple times. Okay.

1168
04:41:37.510 --> 04:41:44.159
ITC 105A: so yeah, as of yesterday, we did receive 828 responses and it's gonna continue

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ITC 105A: until February 15

1170
04:41:49.920 --> 04:42:00.399
ITC 105A: maneval pine. I think it's a great initial response. We certainly want to make sure with. That continues, as I encourage everyone to throughout the State to fill that out region. Moai.

1171
04:42:02.880 --> 04:42:12.629
ITC 105A: can we get the once school starts again because I know a lot. Students are not looking or glance at their emails. Can we get the university

1172
04:42:12.780 --> 04:42:16.250
ITC 105A: email that they sent it out to resend it out again.

1173
04:42:16.570 --> 04:42:19.610
ITC 105A: Is that possible? After break is over?

1174
04:42:22.110 --> 04:42:25.369
ITC 105A: Okay, thank you.

1175
04:42:25.380 --> 04:42:45.230
ITC 105A: Next update is was already mentioned by by Shirley. you guys, delegated he and I to work with administration to get the Rfp. Out for the recruiting company assistance. II really wanna thank the team at for working over the holidays to meet those deadlines. So that got done.

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04:42:45.430 --> 04:42:51.380
ITC 105A: We do. The next step that I think was not clear in the authority given.

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04:42:51.410 --> 04:43:02.000
ITC 105A: That we wanna ask for is, if Regent leave Vice Shirley and I can continue to to make the selection of the recruiting firms.

1178
04:43:02.350 --> 04:43:08.230
ITC 105A: So what with with the assistance of someone from Hr, so be 3 of us.

1179
04:43:08.300 --> 04:43:11.080
ITC 105A: the criteria for checklist decided.

1180
04:43:11.130 --> 04:43:18.580
ITC 105A: But you guys didn't formally say we could decide. If we don't do that. then we'll need to bring that here to the full body.

1181
04:43:18.730 --> 04:43:26.190
ITC 105A: which will. you know there'll be other components of that sunshine law issues plus time issues

1182
04:43:26.370 --> 04:43:33.249
ITC 105A: with the authority we we can. What's the deadline? Again, what is the we're getting all the proposals back by. I'm not sure if Jan is here.

1183
04:43:34.570 --> 04:43:53.440
ITC 105A: Yeah. So we we won't be able to bring that to this board by the eighteenth. We won't get the submittals by then. so the soonest would be that first meeting in February. Even that would be a super tight turnaround. So there's that's one of the other reasons to differ. But

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ITC 105A: happy to discuss that role.

1185
04:43:57.590 --> 04:44:06.750
ITC 105A: You want to say anything more about that. Well, I think we're reason for the human resources. Person is that they've done

1186
04:44:06.880 --> 04:44:09.230
ITC 105A: this process. But more.

1187
04:44:12.560 --> 04:44:13.360
ITC 105A: yeah. So

1188
04:44:14.910 --> 04:44:16.360
ITC 105A: which I mean

1189
04:44:18.050 --> 04:44:26.079
ITC 105A: in the end. Again, going back over all the the previous selections of President.

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04:44:26.980 --> 04:44:31.640
ITC 105A: the human resources, and any staff ended up

1191
04:44:32.480 --> 04:44:41.229
ITC 105A: doing the all the work. the research firm spent all the money and went through their song and dance.

1192
04:44:41.600 --> 04:44:49.769
ITC 105A:  And then, in the end, the human resources folks here and and whoever was staff then

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04:44:49.940 --> 04:44:51.000
ITC 105A: ended up

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04:44:51.320 --> 04:44:54.990
ITC 105A: doing the actual logistics. All I'm saying is.

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04:44:55.350 --> 04:45:00.909
ITC 105A: I think we should have it no later than February. If they. If they. If you haven't got proposals you can

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04:45:00.970 --> 04:45:02.050
ITC 105A: deal with

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04:45:02.110 --> 04:45:07.019
ITC 105A: before then, then don't do it. and I hope I don't see any.

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ITC 105A: I don't see any reason why we can't consider when they say search to. I don't see any reason why, we can't consider local firms

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04:45:14.790 --> 04:45:18.380
ITC 105A: that are experienced in in organizing.

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04:45:18.400 --> 04:45:29.390
ITC 105A:  not just necessarily executive searches, but but deal in human resources deal deal with the question of of choosing leadership

1201
04:45:29.460 --> 04:45:33.049
ITC 105A: for various companies and groups, and so on.

1202
04:45:33.100 --> 04:45:45.950
ITC 105A:  I don't know. I'm just looking at you, Diane, because of the the particular organization here with, I'm I'm assuming there was companies locally. Who? Who

1203
04:45:46.100 --> 04:45:52.340
ITC 105A: cause? I've worked. I've worked with local companies before that aren't necessarily professional search firms.

1204
04:45:52.350 --> 04:46:02.729
ITC 105A: but they're Hr. Firms, and they know how to organize for selection of people to take various tasks up on the executive level.

1205
04:46:02.850 --> 04:46:04.449
ITC 105A: just saying, I hope that it

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04:46:04.600 --> 04:46:13.289
ITC 105A: II I'm confident that you could go locally and get proposals in that you could make a decision to be presented to us by February.

1207
04:46:15.330 --> 04:46:17.570
ITC 105A: I'm also hoping we get those proposals.

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04:46:18.670 --> 04:46:19.999
ITC 105A: So the

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04:46:20.030 --> 04:46:28.539
ITC 105A: again, the record, the thing we wanted to clarify was, if the Board authority to Vice chair. Lee and I includes the selection of the proposals that come in.

1210
04:46:29.270 --> 04:46:36.849
ITC 105A: and if not, then the body wants to do that process. We can. It'll just take a little bit longer to actually get someone on board.

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04:46:38.210 --> 04:46:38.990
ITC 105A: Mike.

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04:46:41.030 --> 04:46:53.189
ITC 105A: The question I have, how are we getting that information out that you're looking for proposals, or is that already going out? It's already been posted, and so that normal ways that we beat those bushes. But II would say.

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04:46:53.950 --> 04:47:01.649
ITC 105A: those folks who know local firms that could do this work should be encouraging them to apply. So we at least we we can't, we can't.

1214
04:47:02.460 --> 04:47:13.060
ITC 105A: we can't. So so select them if they don't apply. But I just noticed that information out there. So now, locally.

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04:47:13.290 --> 04:47:21.480
ITC 105A: yeah, let me. Yes. Well, it it, you know. If it isn't, it should be cause we're talking about. I don't. I don't know that

1216
04:47:21.590 --> 04:47:25.599
ITC 105A: I couldn't opine on. Okay how the community is responding.

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04:47:25.760 --> 04:47:40.920
ITC 105A: I'm just pushing this a little right now that somebody's listed. Maybe maybe it would be in the paper right? The story, you know, that'd be added. Yes, maybe the media can say that we're actually looking for a search firm as opposed to fighting with one another.

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04:47:42.740 --> 04:47:45.379
ITC 105A: Alright. So Regent, I keep talking.

1219
04:47:46.970 --> 04:47:57.590
ITC 105A: So this is a little bit going back. Is that okay? Or should we wait till later? Is it about the question I have about whether we're authorized. No? Well can we close that one up first? And then, yeah.

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04:47:58.620 --> 04:48:13.210
ITC 105A: So if not, there's no issues. Can I get a motion to authorize vice, Shirley and I to work with a member from Hr. To select the recruiting firm. Regent Haney moved Regan Lu. Second, seeing no discussion, all those in favor saying, aye.

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04:48:13.310 --> 04:48:14.670
ITC 105A: any opposed

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04:48:15.220 --> 04:48:17.510
ITC 105A: congratulations or work.

1223
04:48:17.690 --> 04:48:22.370
ITC 105A: don't you? Can't go golfing? No, no golfing. Okay,

1224
04:48:22.610 --> 04:48:23.959
ITC 105A: Regent, I can talk to you.

1225
04:48:24.520 --> 04:48:31.449
ITC 105A: One thing I wanted to mention as see if everyone's in agreement a parameter for the

1226
04:48:31.690 --> 04:48:38.570
ITC 105A: the advisory group. Well, the the process we just approved to have the 4

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04:48:38.610 --> 04:48:42.310
ITC 105A: and then the 2 regions to come back with names

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04:48:42.560 --> 04:48:44.360
ITC 105A: in our pay report

1229
04:48:44.520 --> 04:48:51.849
ITC 105A: we talked at length about, you know, special interests and conflicts of interest, and disclosing those things, and so

1230
04:48:52.010 --> 04:48:55.880
ITC 105A: I. The language. Here was

1231
04:48:55.890 --> 04:49:08.979
ITC 105A: advisory group nominees shall disclose as a prerequisite to being considered any current or potential financial interest or other conflicts of interest in or relative to the University of Hawaii system, when being considered for the Advisory group.

1232
04:49:09.100 --> 04:49:20.510
ITC 105A: so I would hope that as part of screening and bringing forward these 12 names, that this would have been done in the group, so that

1233
04:49:20.690 --> 04:49:27.149
ITC 105A: that would be embarrassing for additionally embarrassing for people to be put forward in the 12, and then.

1234
04:49:27.380 --> 04:49:33.050
ITC 105A: you know, they didn't disclose this or that because they weren't asked to. So just putting that out there, that that's our

1235
04:49:33.130 --> 04:49:34.190
ITC 105A: request.

1236
04:49:39.360 --> 04:49:48.030
ITC 105A: and that the guidance and the the statement is that there's an expectation to follow those recommendations. Does that work? Okay?

1237
04:49:51.670 --> 04:49:52.360
ITC 105A: Yep.

1238
04:49:52.910 --> 04:49:57.770
ITC 105A: if if there's no other issues from the agenda list.

1239
04:49:57.930 --> 04:49:59.290
ITC 105A: We have come to that

1240
04:50:00.160 --> 04:50:02.510
scripts. I wanna be in

1241
04:50:03.180 --> 04:50:04.960
ITC 105A: representative assessment.

1242
04:50:05.750 --> 04:50:11.420
ITC 105A: Yeah, yes, yes, they're gonna what they're gonna bring recommend up to up to 12

1243
04:50:11.490 --> 04:50:17.280
ITC 105A: recommendations. Yeah, okay? So if there's nothing else, we're onto announcements.

1244
04:50:17.560 --> 04:50:22.519
ITC 105A: The next meeting is January eighteenth, 2024, at University Floyd West Oahu

1245
04:50:23.150 --> 04:50:33.309
ITC 105A: my right. II didn't miss anything. I'll I'll share my share. The knows that I I'm not able to make that meeting. Unfortunately. So he's prepared to

1246
04:50:34.010 --> 04:50:36.899
ITC 105A: to run the meeting vision. Moi.

1247
04:50:37.850 --> 04:50:41.330
ITC 105A: yeah. Did we

1248
04:50:42.170 --> 04:50:50.649
ITC 105A: make parameters for who they're gonna pick? Or did we not do that? It was it was not included in the motion. Nope.

1249
04:50:51.060 --> 04:50:52.410
ITC 105A: but

1250
04:50:52.430 --> 04:50:58.349
ITC 105A: my hope we. We will send them the minutes and the comments and the concerns, and that

1251
04:50:58.680 --> 04:51:04.350
ITC 105A: trust them to consider those things. Okay. yep. Regent Hainey.

1252
04:51:08.470 --> 04:51:17.000
ITC 105A: you know, being know how open comment. But I just wanted to emphasize everybody got the email from Christine and from Yvonne, relating to preparations for the heal.

1253
04:51:17.190 --> 04:51:22.580
ITC 105A: Yes, thank you. It's a important announcement. At this stage.

1254
04:51:22.840 --> 04:51:25.630
ITC 105A: It'll be a new new approach.

1255
04:51:25.650 --> 04:51:28.969
ITC 105A: 2 days. We started off with the best town. So

1256
04:51:29.220 --> 04:51:31.080
ITC 105A: as a

1257
04:51:32.960 --> 04:51:40.070
ITC 105A: anything specific about that, just making sure folks respond right? If they need rooms. And yeah.

1258
04:51:43.510 --> 04:51:49.619
ITC 105A: oh, okay. Monday, yeah. Folks we didn't know. We can book travel and hotels, and

1259
04:51:50.010 --> 04:51:54.510
ITC 105A: and don't forget it's a 2 day meeting, all right. Okay.

1260
04:51:56.980 --> 04:51:59.700
ITC 105A: they've already got a block of

1261
04:52:00.010 --> 04:52:07.859
ITC 105A: and and again, and we've been saying this lots. Thank you to the staff, or like this decision. To do this adds a whole bunch of other

1262
04:52:07.900 --> 04:52:10.669
ITC 105A: work for staff, including they have to travel

1263
04:52:11.030 --> 04:52:20.710
ITC 105A: right? So be away from family and things like that. So much appreciation to everyone. I also want to point out, in addition.

1264
04:52:20.710 --> 04:52:28.010
ITC 105A: just on the record. In addition to that conflict of interest, paragraph in the Pig Report, we also

1265
04:52:28.010 --> 04:52:51.040
ITC 105A: enumerated. Let's see non Board Member Advisory group members should have the following qualities that include knowledge of the institution and its aspirations, and willingness to learn more. The ability to rise above parochial concerns and mesh with a group that commits to serving the interest of the institution as a whole, the ability and willingness to maintain this, the searches confidentiality even after it concludes.

1266
04:52:51.430 --> 04:53:06.850
ITC 105A: and the ability to understand and abide by the the role that we're tasking them to do. And the paragraph I read earlier would be the last requirements. I just wanna emphasize.

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04:53:07.200 --> 04:53:34.929
ITC 105A: assume where there's no no objections. That's also the expectation we have of the representatives from the 4 formally recognized groups. Yes, Yup, yes, absolutely thanks for clarifying that and back to what Regent Mawai was just asking about the parameters. We did set some parameters. So 12 clarifies 12 no more than more than 12. But that includes the 2 regions. So it's really 6.

1268
04:53:34.990 --> 04:53:42.390
ITC 105A: Well, if the no, no, the no, the the 2 regions are only for the purpose of recommendations

1269
04:53:43.370 --> 04:53:49.080
ITC 105A: that if the regions are going to continue on the advisory group that has to be in the recommendation.

1270
04:53:49.550 --> 04:53:51.669
ITC 105A: but they would be part of the 12.

1271
04:53:52.910 --> 04:53:57.179
ITC 105A: No, no, the the motion was just that

1272
04:53:57.210 --> 04:53:59.339
ITC 105A: 2 regions and the 4

1273
04:54:00.360 --> 04:54:14.480
ITC 105A: formally recognized groups would give us a proposed list of names for the 12, and all 12 would be non regents. That's up to them. But they could. They could choose regions, not choose regions.

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04:54:15.540 --> 04:54:16.390
ITC 105A: Alright.

1275
04:54:16.580 --> 04:54:18.940
ITC 105A:  and that

1276
04:54:19.540 --> 04:54:20.990
ITC 105A: those 4 represent

1277
04:54:21.100 --> 04:54:25.810
ITC 105A: would, I assume, suggest a representative from themselves. And then

1278
04:54:26.060 --> 04:54:33.060
ITC 105A: community members are to be represented in the total 12. That's our expectation. So there are some parameters

1279
04:54:33.200 --> 04:54:33.900
ITC 105A: we've

1280
04:54:34.690 --> 04:54:47.570
ITC 105A: put on the record. Yep. yes, and and if if regents are unclear we we can reconsider this and make sure we're crystal clear.  digital. Moi.

1281
04:54:48.510 --> 04:54:56.540
ITC 105A: yeah. I was unclear when I voted on it, I guess, because I was thinking it was 12 total. not

1282
04:54:58.330 --> 04:55:03.349
ITC 105A: 12 additional. There is 12 total. But the wording was up to 12,

1283
04:55:03.890 --> 04:55:12.479
ITC 105A: and and up to 12 total total correct. So that's 4 4 plus 2 credence, 4% 4.8

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ITC 105A: 4. We certainly can

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ITC 105A: when the recommendations come forward, do. Is that subject to a vote? Then correct? Yes, only a recommendation.

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ITC 105A: You know, I do want to say, though. It was discussed, and it not publicly. So I do want to see on the record that it was discussed that

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ITC 105A: the possibility of the 2 regions continuing on, or to the 2 or corrections in general, on with the Advisory

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ITC 105A: Committee Board

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ITC 105A: in the future, just to to mention that publicly, so that that can be considered

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ITC 105A: when

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ITC 105A: the 6 come up with the 12 that they could, it was discussed to have 2 regions continue on with the 12 up to 12, and we just can certainly share

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ITC 105A: even more of those details. The other truth is.

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ITC 105A: if we have tell 12 advisory members that don't have regents and we assign them a task we could put up to 2 regions

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ITC 105A: on that task. Yeah, yeah.

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ITC 105A: are there any implications for sunshine law that would

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ITC 105A: can complicate that. Not not if there's like 2 regions. That's what I thought. I just wanted to make sure. Right? Yeah, it's just the kind of thing that I appreciate you bringing it up. Those are the kind of things we're talking about. An exact session, right? Is all these details? Yep, good clarification.

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ITC 105A: So so we're now all on the same page. What we voted on the regents are assigned just to help over the recommendations regions could be on or not. We'll see when that that comes up.

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ITC 105A: and it's no more than 12. Total. Okay, great, alright. Any other announcements, questions, clarifications.

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ITC 105A: if not. Thank you, guys all for your time and energy and commitment. This meeting is adjourned.

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ITC 105A: There is speech in the back for all your hard work. See. you're not volunteers. You're getting fed.